(February 6, 2019 at 8:25 am)Agnostico Wrote: Thanks Bucky for being the only guy who actually answered my question...
Less than 0%. So ud be a gnostic atheist?

The big bang theory goes on the premise that time and space began at that moment.

That's a common misconception.  The big bang is only an explanation for the present state of affairs within what we can observe. This time, this space.

(February 6, 2019 at 8:29 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 8:25 am)Agnostico Wrote: Thanks Bucky for being the only guy who actually answered my question...
Less than 0%. So ud be a gnostic atheist?

The big bang theory goes on the premise that time and space began at that moment.

That's a common misconception.  The big bang is only an explanation for the present state of affairs within what we can observe.  This time, this space.

Yep, the BB established the rules that allowed us to exist.

Which is amusing in and of itself..because our existence in a universe (or even just a place) in which "the rules" -didn't- allow for our existence would be much more demonstrative of something funky and unseen going on.

I've probably said it dozens of times.... talk to me about divine intervention when you find yourself alive and well on the surface of a pulsar.  Bipedal primate on earth just isn't all that miraculous..it's not even coincidental.

(February 6, 2019 at 9:13 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Which is amusing in and of itself..because our existence in a universe (or even just a place) in which "the rules" -didn't- allow for our existence would be much more demonstrative of something funky and unseen going on.

I've probably said it dozens of times.... talk to me about divine intervention when you find yourself alive and well on the surface of a pulsar.  Bipedal primate on earth just isn't all that miraculous..it's not even coincidental.

This is a good point, that I have also made many times.

If you want evidence of a universe created by gods, one where we (or other life), should NOT be able to survive, yet we do, would be astonishing.

A universe like ours, where the laws are such, as to able to bring about and support life naturally, is evidence against a god. Or, at the very least, evidence against an omnipotent god.

That doesn't actually follow.   What would..if we assumed a god for the hell of it, is a god that simply preferred to do things in a manner indistinguishable from no god having done anything...regardless of whether it was omnipotent..whatever that means in the minds of the faithful at any given minute. That we find things as we would expect to find them in a thoroughly natural universe isn't evidence against a god, but it is a complete refutation of teleological arguments. Whatever reason those who offer such arguments might have for believing in a god, it isn't that particular ad hoc rationalization.

(February 6, 2019 at 8:25 am)Agnostico Wrote: Less than 0%. So ud be a gnostic atheist?

Nope. We've been through this before. Your need for neat boxes with red bows is boring.

Quote:The big bang theory goes on the premise that time and space began at that moment.

Nope. The Big Bang rests on no such proposition. As I said above, see Penrose's "Cycles of Time".
At a singularity, time as we know it, is warped and slows down, so you can say nothing about this. When you get all big and mommy lets you out to go to school, you'll learn about science and that the Big Bang is the expansionary epoch, and not the "beginning" of anything.

As you get closer to a singularity, the flow of time slows down, compared to flow of time far from it. (According to Einstein's theory, any massive body, including the Earth, produces this effect. ... Inside the singularity, the flow of time itself draws falling objects into the center.

Quote:Thats false. Probabilities are calculated in various fields using one data point

Really ?
"Mathematics : the extent to which an event is likely to occur, measured by the ratio of the favorable cases to the whole number of cases possible.
"the area under the curve represents probability"

Great. 5 examples should suffice. 

Quote:An atheist does the same. Just look at the array of hoaxes put forward by science to try discredit religion. It's desperation.

Funny. I never heard of any. How about 5 examples of those too.

Quote:College professors more concerned about holding lectures on religion than talking about science. Dawkins is a classic. For a theoretical biologist he talk way too much crap. Harping on about religion instead of doing science.

Oh yes Church Lady. You go give him a good spanking, and tell him he is to speak about only what you tell him to speak about.

Edit:
I do have a question for you though.
What are the practical daily real life differences between Chinese Tao mysticism, Christian European contemplative mysticism, and agnostic atheism ?

(February 6, 2019 at 9:01 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 8:29 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: That's a common misconception.  The big bang is only an explanation for the present state of affairs within what we can observe.  This time, this space.

Yep, the BB established the rules that allowed us to exist.

But.


But...


JEBUS!!

(February 6, 2019 at 2:35 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 9:01 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Yep, the BB established the rules that allowed us to exist.

But.


But...


JEBUS!!

Fucking!!!

(February 6, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 8:25 am)Agnostico Wrote: Less than 0%. So ud be a gnostic atheist?

Nope. We've been through this before. Your need for neat boxes with red bows is boring.

Quote:The big bang theory goes on the premise that time and space began at that moment.

Nope. The Big Bang rests on no such proposition. As I said above, see Penrose's "Cycles of Time".
At a singularity, time as we know it, is warped and slows down, so you can say nothing about this. When you get all big and mommy lets you out to go to school, you'll learn about science and that the Big Bang is the expansionary epoch, and not the "beginning" of anything.

As you get closer to a singularity, the flow of time slows down, compared to flow of time far from it. (According to Einstein's theory, any massive body, including the Earth, produces this effect. ... Inside the singularity, the flow of time itself draws falling objects into the center.

Quote:Thats false. Probabilities are calculated in various fields using one data point

Really ?
"Mathematics : the extent to which an event is likely to occur, measured by the ratio of the favorable cases to the whole number of cases possible.
"the area under the curve represents probability"

Great. 5 examples should suffice. 

Quote:An atheist does the same. Just look at the array of hoaxes put forward by science to try discredit religion. It's desperation.

Funny. I never heard of any. How about 5 examples of those too.

Quote:College professors more concerned about holding lectures on religion than talking about science. Dawkins is a classic. For a theoretical biologist he talk way too much crap. Harping on about religion instead of doing science.

Oh yes Church Lady. You go give him a good spanking, and tell him he is to speak about only what you tell him to speak about.

Edit:
I do have a question for you though.
What are the practical daily real life differences between Chinese Tao mysticism, Christian European contemplative mysticism, and agnostic atheism ?

Dawkins does tons of science

(February 6, 2019 at 8:25 am)Agnostico Wrote: The big bang theory goes on the premise that time and space began at that moment.

You got it exactly backwards: The big bang theory and the idea that time and space began is the result of evaluating data and prior knowledge. Namely the established fact(s) supported by data that the universe is expanding, acceleratingly expanding. Its not too hard what may the starting point of an expansion, isnt it?....unless of course you presuppose a deity which does not fit (in terms of: its unnecessary) into the picture.

It shows the fundamental flaw in your thinking, religion has removed the ability from your mind to be reasonable. I has infected you with the virus of having to make your conclusion first and then looking for arguments to arrive at said conclusion. You cant even think of other people having other thinking proccesses that lead to reasonable  results.

Thats how much you have been mentally crippled.