OFC you missed that, you were born centuries after classical greek paganism died down?  Yes, the gods were once believed to intervene and chat up mortals..to have a personal relationship with them..they even had demi-god children with them.....



Your myths are an item in that set.

Meh, since I'm on the subject, not only is this idea of a personal relationship with the divine common to classical paganism, it;s common to contemporary paganism...and in all three examples of contemporary christianity, classical paganism, and contemporary paganism...some deficiency in this personal relationship with the divine is suggested to be the root of much of our misery (if not all).  Each goes so far as to posit that the decreasing interest in the proper relationships with their prospective invocations of divinity are at least partially if not largely at fault for the apparent decline of their respective civilizations.    

To the classical greeks, divine abandonment was predicated on the wickedness of man and portended disaster.   To contemporary christians, the dimished role of christ in our lives and society is indicative of moral decay, and to contemporary pagans our disconnection with the numinous natural is very literally destroying the thing regarded as the source of divinity.

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It's also interesting to point out that while each of the three groups has (and two still) carries a priestly class, there's a heavily refined form of shamanism presenting itself as mystery tradition in all three.  

Those truly called to the numinous both expect and report a deeply personal relationship with the divine.  This is, bluntly, what informs them of the very existence of the divine. The conceit of a priestly caste has always been that some have better ears than others - and this fails to make sense as a conjecture in the absence of the assumption that the divine engages in personal relationships with human beings. This single statement is the difference between deism and theism. All theists have this thing you thought was unique in common. It's what defines you as theists. The notion that we can and have had a personal relationship with gods.

What I must ask is that when jesus "god" was down on earth plonking around Palestine for 30 odd years who was doing the day to day godding? was he answering prayers in his down time from wrecking temples? who was causing floods and punishing sinners etc etc?

Or is god not needed for the day to day running of the planet and if so how long would it be before its utter disappearance would take effect?

Don't you think we have seen all of this horseshit before? Your horse shit is the only l true horseshit? As evidence you present something you read once on a cereal packet? Really?

(March 3, 2019 at 4:33 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Don't you think we have seen all of this horseshit before? Your horse shit is the only l true horseshit? As evidence you present something you read once on a cereal packet? Really?

Perhaps you should actually try formulating your thoughts into a coherent argument, because I have no idea what you're talking about.

(March 3, 2019 at 3:47 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

(February 25, 2019 at 4:19 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: OFC you missed that, you were born centuries after classical greek paganism died down?  Yes, the gods were once believed to intervene and chat up mortals..to have a personal relationship with them..they even had demi-god children with them.....

Your myths are an item in that set.

I understand that you were replying to someone else with this, but your argument is foolish and I'm going to point out why.

You're talking about isolated incidents of some god appearing in human form and having a superficial relationship with various individuals. Completely different story with Jesus Christ, Who has an intimate relationship with every single person ever created, to the point of determining the fates of the very hairs on our heads (Luke 12:7).

Not at all, though obviously stories of divine relationships and interaction are meant to typify the object of belief, just as your own magic book is a collection of stories about a god appearing in human form and having superficial relationships with people.  

The notion of fate determining forces and supernatural knowledge are similarly well represented in all other forms of theism.  The central and defining position of theism, all theism..yours, the greeks, whomever, is a personal god that interacts.  This is what separates it from other forms of god belief, but is not a difference between any representative of theistic belief.

-but nevermind all of that, when was the last time jesus popped down to the bar and had a drink with you? Does he watch while you pee and count the times you shake it? Any benefits to this intimate relationship?

Knowing Jesus he'd shake it for him, really really fast.

(March 4, 2019 at 7:06 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Not at all, though obviously stories of divine relationships and interaction are meant to typify the object of belief, just as your own magic book is a collection of stories about a god appearing in human form and having superficial relationships with people.  

The notion of fate determining forces and supernatural knowledge are similarly well represented in all other forms of theism.  The central and defining position of theism, all theism..yours, the greeks, whomever, is a personal god that interacts.  This is what separates it from other forms of god belief, but is not a difference between any representative of theistic belief.

Yes, actually, it's quite different. The Bible is not at all about God appearing in human form and having superficial relationships with people. It's about Him having the most intimate of relationships with everyone, where He willfully lays down His life for us all to save us. That is nothing like any other religion (again, to my knowledge, others are free to prove me wrong). And I should mention polytheism doesn't count - who cares about the sacrifice of individual gods when there are so many others to take their place? The sacrifice becomes meaningless. There is also the fact that there is actually evidence for the life and death of Jesus Christ (and stories in the Old Testament), and that evidence is not found only in the "magic book." It's Hinduism and the like that has "magic books."

(March 4, 2019 at 7:06 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: -but nevermind all of that, when was the last time jesus popped down to the bar and had a drink with you? Does he watch while you pee and count the times you shake it?  Any benefits to this intimate relationship?

How clever.

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(March 4, 2019 at 7:57 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: Knowing Jesus he'd shake it for him, really really fast.

Know, those of you reading this, that making comments such as these merely exposes you for what you are: nasty, nasty people. But go ahead and have at it...you will understand the gravity of your error in due time.