(March 17, 2019 at 10:03 pm)wyzas Wrote: My sympathies to the mods that have to continue to read this shit.

Mods don’t have to read it. That’s why there is a report feature.

(March 17, 2019 at 10:03 pm)wyzas Wrote: My sympathies to the mods that have to continue to read this shit.

I mostly gave up when the claims became repetitive.

Page 2, I think.

I think his pastor told him he is going to hell if he can’t bring to his god a few atheist souls.

Either that or his nagging doubt about his value and worthiness can only be assuaged by affirmation of his gooey nonsense from atheists.

(March 17, 2019 at 2:40 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 17, 2019 at 2:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's amazing how we can disagree on everything. I think you are way off.

Yet after all of these thousands of posts in this thread, somehow you cannot explain why or how or provide anything remotely resembling what might charitably be called evidence.

Nope. All you can manage is regurgitating the lies of others like a mindless automaton and adding your own personal lies. That is not a convincing argument. In fact, it isn't an argument. If you truly believe that bollocks, you are one step away from 19 wingnuts who, on religious grounds, butchered 3,000 people.

You must be so proud of yourself.

The biggest problem is when someone else hears his additions and thinks they make sense and are worthy of propagating.... and then adds some more personal bits - The evolution of a false claim.
Quite ironic, given that the claim denies evolution in a different context.

Can we shut the thread mods or nah?

(March 18, 2019 at 5:59 am)TwoKnives99 Wrote: Can we shut the thread mods or nah?

If people want to play in the mud, let them. Think of it like a brain exfoliant.

(March 18, 2019 at 6:27 am)wyzas Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 5:59 am)TwoKnives99 Wrote: Can we shut the thread mods or nah?

If people want to play in the mud, let them. Think of it like a brain exfoliant.

I’m just thinking since there’s no real discussion going on.

CDF brings up a point.
He supplies his ‘evidence’
We show evidence to disprove that point by showing that he has misinterpreted his apparent evidence
We ask CDF certain questions
CDF does not answer those questions, avoids them instead.

This cycle repeats..


A thread which began as an attempt to argue that the complexity of DNA proves the existence of God has devolved to ‘Why did Satan rebel against God?’

(March 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Yes.... because just any one/anything can rebel against an omnipotent, all powerful entity...

*Rolls eyes*

Do you not read what you post? How can such concepts, together, make any sense?

He did rebel.  He had pride in his heart.

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(March 17, 2019 at 5:48 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(March 17, 2019 at 3:46 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The Lord reads the heart.

And thus he knows that we honestly think this nonsense you try to sell is nothing but bulshit, and there is possible way we could accept it. 
Since you practice this recent strange form of Christianity known as American Fundamentalism, you wouldn't know this, 
but traditional European Christianity has always left room for those who honestly cannot say they believe, and still do. 

You are an ignorant fool ... who knows nothing about science and nothing about your own cult's origins. 
Your Third Grade level of knowledge is an embarrassment to educated people.

I don't fall into any category of American Fundamentalism.  I believe the Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and the prophecies contained in the Book have come true.

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(March 17, 2019 at 6:43 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 17, 2019 at 3:46 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am far from being an Islamic Jihadist. I'm Christian.

Same stupid deity.
Same stupid creed.
Same stupid rules.
Same moronic fundamentalism.
Same abdication of intellectual responsibility.
Same inability to engage in any honest discussion.

I see no functional difference.

The difference is the God of Islam claims to be the greatest deceiver and is known for his deceptions.  Big differences.

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(March 17, 2019 at 9:55 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(March 17, 2019 at 6:43 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Same stupid deity.
Same stupid creed.
Same stupid rules.
Same moronic fundamentalism.
Same abdication of intellectual responsibility.
Same inability to engage in any honest discussion.

I see no functional difference.

There is a functional difference.  Islam can’t match Christianity in the dishonesty with which it represent itself.

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(March 17, 2019 at 3:46 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am here to discuss the most important topic.

Again you are trying to pass off what you want as what actually is true.  You want your bullshit to the most important thing because admitting it may not be the most important thing would inevitably lay bare its nature as nothing more than shabby manipulative bullshit designed to ensnare morons.  So your wanting to remain ensnared caused you to exaggerate its importance from its true totally insignificance to the most important thing.

So you are still full of shit.

It is the truth and you are blind to it. You were created.

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(March 18, 2019 at 8:17 am)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 6:27 am)wyzas Wrote: If people want to play in the mud, let them. Think of it like a brain exfoliant.

I’m just thinking since there’s no real discussion going on.

CDF brings up a point.
He supplies his ‘evidence’
We show evidence to disprove that point by showing that he has misinterpreted his apparent evidence
We ask CDF certain questions
CDF does not answer those questions, avoids them instead.

This cycle repeats..


A thread which began as an attempt to argue that the complexity of DNA proves the existence of God has devolved to ‘Why did Satan rebel against God?’

We did get off course quite a bit.  Yes, the thread is suppose to be about DNA but the religious implications to DNA are so vast it is hard not to discuss it.

(March 18, 2019 at 1:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm)I dont fall into any category of American Fundamentalism.  I believe the Bible is the Word of God because it says it is and the prophecies contained in the Book have come true. Wrote:

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Unfortunately you do fall into a very specific ignorant category. American Fundamentalism. It's the Third Grade version of Christianity you peddle.
So you believe books to be what they are, because they say they are. LOL
You can find some of your omens, (yeah it IS OMEN READING), that came true. Many more did not. It'[s not a reason to believe anything ... and IF you do, it's because you admit you are the evil and wicked generation that needs a sign : A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.
Matthew 16:4

Prophesy in Hebrew culture was NEVER about future prediction. (Fundamentalism). Bible 101. You would know that, but you never took even 1 course on the Bible.
Oh really ? Like the one "Behold, I come quickly" LOL Revelation 22:7.
Here's the first 100 of these, there are many more.
Bible: Prophecy and Misquotes

Genesis
1. "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
   God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17
   
2. As a punishment for killing Abel, God says Cain will be "a fugitive and a vagabond." Yet in just a few verses (4:16-17) Cain will settle down, marry, have a son, and build a city. This is not the activity one would expect from a fugitive and a vagabond. 4:12
   
3. God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Hebrews 11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14
   
4. How long was the Egyptian captivity? This verse says 400 years, but Exodus 12:40 and Galatians 3:17 say 430 years. 15:13
   
5. "In the fourth generation they [Abraham's descendants] shall come hither again." But, if we count Abraham, then their return occurred after seven generations: Abraham, Isaac (Gen 21:1-3), Jacob (Gen.25:19-26), Levi (Gen 35:22-23), Kohath (Ex 6:16), Amramn (Ex 6:18), and Moses (Ex 6:20). 15:16
   
6. God promises to make Isaac's descendents as numerous as "the stars of heaven", which, of course, never happened. The Jews have always been, and will always be, a small minority. 22:17-18, 26:4
   
7. God renames Jacob twice (32:28, 35:10 ). God says that Jacob will henceforth be called Israel, but the Bible continues to call him Jacob anyway (47:28-29). And even God himself calls him Jacob in 46:2. 32:28, 35:10
   
8. God calls Jacob Jacob, though he said in Gen.32:28 and 35:10 that he would no longer be called Jacob but Israel. 46:2
   
9. God promises to bring Jacob safely back from Egypt, but Jacob dies in Egypt (Gen.47:28-29) 46:3
   
10. The tribe of Judah will reign "until Shiloh," but Israel's first king (Saul) was from the tribe of Benjamin (Acts 13:21), and most of the time after this prophecy there was no king at all. 49:10
    
11. "He washed his garments in wine ... His eyes shall be red with wine."
    Did Judah really wash his clothes in wine? Were his eyes bloodshot from drinking too much? Or is this a prophecy of Jesus? (I didn't know Jesus had a drinking problem.) 49:11-12
    
12. Contrary to the prophecy in 48:21, Joseph died in Egypt, not Israel. Gen.50:24Exodus
    
13. God promises to cast out many nations including the Canaanites and the Jebusites. But he was unable to keep his promise. 33:2
    
14. In this verse God says he will write on the stone tablets, but in 34:27 he tells Moses to do the writing. 34:1
    Numbers
    
15. "If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will ... speak unto him in a dream." Now there's a reliable way to communicate with someone! 12:6
    
16. "There shall come a Star out of Jacob"
    This verse is called the "star prophecy" and is sometimes claimed to be a prophecy of the star of Bethlehem (Matthew 2:2). But this seems unlikely, since the verse refers to Moab, and the kingdom of Moab didn't exist in New Testament times. Jesus didn't smite Moab or kill the children of Sheth. ("Sheth" here refers to Seth -- the son of Adam, from whom Noah and, according to the Bible, all other humans descended. So if this is a prophecy about Jesus, then it prophesies that Jesus will someday kill everyone on earth.) 24:17Deuteronomy
    
17. God says that the Israelites will destroy all of the peoples they encounter. But he was unable to keep his promise. 7:1, 7:23-24, 31:3
    
18. God's favorite people will never be infertile (neither will their cows!) and will never get sick. (God will send infertility and diseases on the other guys.) 7:14-15
    
19. Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5
    
20. Who is the prophesied prophet? 18:18
    
21. False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20
    
22. Misquoted in Rom.10:8. 30:14
    
23. Choose life (!) 30:19Joshua
    
24. God promises to give Joshua all of the land that his "foot shall tread upon." He says that none of the people he encounters will be able to resist him. But later we find that God didn't keep his promise, and that many tribes withstood Joshua's attempt to steal their land. 1:3-5, 3:10, 15:63, 16:10, 17:12-13, 17:17-18, 21:43-45
    
25. This verse says that Ai was never again occupied after it was destroyed by Joshua. But Nehemiah (7:32) lists it among the cities of Israel at the time of the Babylonian captivity. 8:28Judges
    
26. God promised many times that he would drive out all the inhabitants of the lands they encountered. But he failed to keep that promise 1:19, 1:21-27, 3:1-5
    
    2 Samuel
    
27. "Thy kingdom shall be established for ever."
    God says that Davids's kingdom will last forever. It didn't of course. It was entirely destroyed about 400 years after Solomon's death, never to be rebuilt. 7:13, 161 Kings
    
    
28. "Men's bones shall be burnt upon thee."
    Although this prophecy was apparently fulfilled in 2 Kings 23:20, no credit should be given for it, since it was supposedly given during the reign of Jeroboam (ca. 900 BCE), yet it was actually made more than 300 years later. Evidence for the late date is found in verse 32, which refers to the the northern kingdom as Samaria, a term that wasn't used until after the Assyrians captured that kingdom in 721 BCE. And since the two books of Kings (which were originally one) were compiled after 566 BCE, while Josiah died in 609 BCE, the prophecy was made after the prophesied event, and was, therefore, not a prophecy at all. (Source: New Oxford Annotated Bible, OT:446; Oxford Companion to the Bible, 411) 13:2
    
    
29. God puts a "lying spirit" in the mouth of his prophets. 22:222 Kings
    
    
30. God promises Josiah that he will have a peaceful death. But Josiah's death was anything but peaceful. (2 Kg 23:29-30, 2 Chr 35:23-24) 22:20
    
    
31. In Jeremiah (34:4) God tells Zedekiah that he will die in peace and be buried with his fathers. But this verse and Jer 52:10-11 say that he died a violent death in a foreign land. 25:7
    2 Chronicles
    
    
32. The trouble with prophets 18:5-34
    
    
33. God puts lies into the mouths of his prophets and speaks evil about people. 18:21-22
    
    
34. Josiah died from an arrow wound in battle, not "in peace" as is promised in 2 Kings 22:20. 35:23
    
    
35. According to this verse, Jeremiah prophesied that King Cyrus would rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. But there is no such prophecy in Jeremiah. Maybe the author was thinking of Isaiah (44:28, 45:1) or Ezra (1:1-2, 4:3, 5:13-17, 6:3). 36:22
    
    
    
    Psalms
    
    
36. Misquoted in Ephesians 4:8, which says: "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."
    The author changed the words and meaning of the psalm from "received gifts" to "gave gifts". 68:18
    
    
37. Misquoted in Matthew 13:35. 78:2-3
    
    
38. "I have sworn unto David my servant, Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations." But the Davidic line of Kings ended with Zedekiah; there were none during the Babylonian captivity, and there are none today. 89:3-4, 34-37
    
    
    Isaiah
    
    
39. God told Isaiah to tell Ahaz, the King of Judah, not to be concerned about Rezin (the king of Syria) or Pekah (the king of Israel). But according to 2 Chr 28:5-6 "God delivered him [Ahaz] into the hand of the king of Syria; and they smote him, and carried away a great multitude of them captives, and brought them to Damascus. And he was also delivered into the hand of the king of Israel, who smote him with a great slaughter." 7:3-7
    
    
40. The King James Version mistranslates the Hebrew word "almah", which means "young woman" as "virgin". (The Hebrew word, "bethulah", means "virgin".) In addition, the young woman referred to in this verse was living at the time of the prophecy. And Jesus, of course, was called Jesus -- and is not called Emmanuel in any verse in the New Testament. 7:14
    
    
41. 9/11 was a divine act of terrorism. If we rebuild, God will force us to eat our own arms. (Or something like that.)
    (See WND for the exciting details) 9:10-20
    
    
42. As a sign that he's getting ready to destroy the world, God will destroy the whole universe. 13:10-13
    
    
43. These verses falsely predict that Babylon will never again be inhabited. 13:19-20
    
    
44. Dragons will live in Babylonian palaces and satyrs will dance there. 13:21-22
    
    
45. Every head will be bald, every beard will be shaved, and everyone will howl and weep abundantly. 15:2-3
    
    
46. "Therefore shall Moab howl for Moab, every one shall howl." 16:7
    
    
47. "Within three years ... the glory of Moab shall be contemned, with all that great multitude; and the remnant shall be very small and feeble." 16:14
    
    
48. This verse prophesies that Damascus will be completely destroyed and no longer be inhabited. Yet Damascus has never been completely destroyed and is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities. 17:1
    
    
49. God will ride in on a cloud and scare the hell out of the Egyptians. 19:1
    
    
50. The river of Egypt (identified as the Nile in RSV) shall dry up. This has never occurred. 19:5
    
    
51. "The land of Judah shall be a terror unto Egypt." Judah never invaded Egypt and was never a military threat to Egypt. 19:17
    
    
52. This verse predicts that there shall be five cities in Egypt that speak the Canaanite language. But that language was never spoken in Egypt, and it is extinct now. 19:18
    
    
53. These verses predict that the Egyptians will worship the Lord (Yahweh) with sacrifices and offerings. But Judaism has never been an important religion in Egypt. 19:18-21
    
    
54. These verses predict that there will be an alliance between Egypt, Israel, and Assyria. But there has never been any such alliance, and it's unlikely that it ever will since Assyria no longer exists. 19:23-24
    
    
55. "They have ... changed the ordinance. There is a crying for wine in the streets; all joy is darkened, the mirth of the land is gone."
    Is this a prophecy about prohibition in the United States? 24:5-11
    
    
56. "The priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink." You can't even trust a drunken prophet anymore. 28:7
    
    
57. "Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste."
    Misquoted in Romans 9:33 as: "As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." 28:16
    
    
58. "The light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold." Well, this is one prophecy that will never come true. Since the moon has no light of its own, but only reflects that of the sun, it could never shine like the sun. And the sun will not, at least not while there are humans to see it, shine 7 times as bright as it does now. 30:26
    
    
59. "The host of heaven shall be dissolved ... and ... shall fall down."
    The stars will dissolve and fall from the sky. 34:4
    
    
60. "Henceforth there shall no more come into thee [Jerusalem] the uncircumcised and the unclean." But many uncircumcised people have visited and occupied Jerusalem after this prophecy was made. 52:1
    
    
61. Isaiah 53 is probably the most often used "prophecy" that is claimed by Christian apologists to refer to Jesus. But the context indicates otherwise. The "suffering servant" that is referred to here is Israel, not Jesus. 53:1-12
    
    
62. Nations that do not serve Israel will perish. 60:12
    
    
63. "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me."
    These words were spoken by Isaiah and referred to Isaiah. They were not a prophecy about a future prophet, as Jesus claimed in Luke 4:16-19, where he supposedly read these verses in the synagogue while applying them to himself. 61:1-2Jeremiah
    
    
64. Jeremiah prophesies that all nations of the earth will embrace Judaism. This has not happened. 3:17
    
    
65. "The prophets prophesy falsely." 5:31
    
    
66. God will make Jerusalem an uninhabited "den of dragons." 9:11
    
    
67. Judah will become a desolate den of dragons. 10:22
    
    
68. "The prophets prophesy lies" in God's name. 14:14
    
    
69. God will destroy by famine and sword those who are misled by the prophets, as well as the prophets themselves. 14:15-16
    
    
70. Matthew (1:12) lists Jeconiah as an ancestor of Jesus -- which, according to this prophecy, disqualifies Jesus as the Messiah. 22:28-30
    
    
71. God's prophets are profane, wicked, adulterous, lying sodomites. 23:11-14
    
    
72. God damned lying prophets 23:25-40
    
    
73. Jeremiah prophesied that the Babylonian captivity would last 70 years. Yet it lasted from the fall of Jerusalem in 586 BCE to the fall of Babylon in 538 BCE, a period of only 48 years. 25:11
    
    
74. God says he is going to punish Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians for what they have done to his people -- even though God Himself is the one who made the Babylonians attack and enslave Judah! As part of the punishment God will take the land of the Babylonians and "make it perpetual desolations." A false prophecy, since present-day Iraq is quite occupied.25:12-13
    
    
75. Hananiah vs. Jeremiah: Good Prophet, Bad Prophet 28:1-17
    
    
76. A new prophet shows up proclaiming the good news: God was going to break the yoke of Babylon and bring the people of Judah back home. His name was Hananiah. 28:1-4
    
    
77. God kills Hananiah for disagreeing with Jeremiah. 28:16-17
    
    
78. God will send his usual blessings upon his people: "the sword, the famine, and the pestilence." He "will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil." 29:17-18
    
    
79. Matthew (2:17-18) quotes this verse, claiming that it was a prophecy of King Herod's alleged slaughter of the children in and around Bethlehem after the birth of Jesus. But this passage refers to the Babylonian captivity, as is clear by reading the next two verses (16 and 17), and, thus, has nothing to do with Herod's massacre. 31:15
    
    
80. Misquoted in Hebrews 8:9 as:
    "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord." 31:32
    
    
81. "David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel." But the Davidic line of Kings ended with Zedekiah; there were none during the Babylonian captivity, and there are none today. 33:17
    
    
82. God lies to Zedekiah again by telling him that he will die in peace and be buried with his fathers. But later (2 Kgings 25:7 and 52:10-11) he dies a violent death in a foreign land. 34:2, 5
    
    
83. The beginning of the end for Zedekiah. Despite God's earlier assurances (34:5) that he would die peacefully at home, here Zedekiah watches as his children are killed and then has his eyes put out and he is shackled and taken to Babylon.  39:6-7
    
    
84. All those who move to Egypt will die by the sword, famine, or pestilence. None "shall escape from the evil" that comes directly from God. But many, including Jews, have moved to Egypt and most seem to have escaped from God's promised evil. 42:15-18, 22
    
    
85. God will kill the young men of Damascus and set the city on fire. (Some Christians believe this prophecy is being fulfulled today in Syrian civil war.) 49:26-27
    
    
86. Jeremiah predicts that humans will never again live in Hazor, but will be replaced by dragons. But people still live there and dragons have never been seen. 49:33
    
    
87. God prophesies that Babylon will never again be inhabited. But it has been inhabited constantly since the prophecy was supposedly made, and is inhabited still today. 50:39
    
    
88. God says that Babylon will be desolate and uninhabited forever. He says that only dragons will live there. But Babylon has been dragon-free and continuously inhabited since then. 51:26, 29, 37, 43, 62, 64
    
    
89. "The sea is come up upon Babylon: she is covered with the multitude of the waves thereof." 51:42
    
    
90. God promised Zedekiah (Jeremiah 34:5) that he would die peacefully and be buried with his fathers. But here we see that he died a miserable death in foreign land. 52:10-11Lamentations
    
    
91. The "prophets also find no vision from the LORD." 2:9
    
    
92. "Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee." 2:14Ezekiel
    
    
93. "Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy." 13:2
    
    
94. God deceives some of his prophets and then kills them for believing his lies. 14:9
    
    
95. Ezekiel prophesies that Tyrus will be completely destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar and will never be built again. But it wasn't destroyed, as evidenced by the visits to Tyre by Jesus and Paul (Mt 15:21, Mk 7:24, 31, Acts 21:3).  26:14,21, 27:36, 28:19
    
    
96. Ezekiel prophesies that Israel will reside in its homeland safely and securely, never again to fight neighboring nations. 28:24-26
    
    
97. Ezekiel makes another false prophecy: that Egypt would be uninhabited by humans or animals for forty years after being destroyed by Nebuchadrezzar. But there was never a time when Egypt was uninhabited. Humans and animals have lived there continuously since Ezekiel's prophecy. 29:10-11
    
    
98. "The day of the LORD is near ... it shall be the time of the heathen." 30:3
    
    
99. The rivers of Egypt (identified as the Nile in NIV, NASB, and RSV) shall dry up. This has never occurred. 30:12
    
    
100. Ezekiel prophesies God will protect the Israelites from "the heathen". "And they shall be safe in their land." But the Israelites have never lived peacefully with their neighbors, and they've never been safe from attack
     
     

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(March 17, 2019 at 10:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(March 17, 2019 at 10:03 pm)wyzas Wrote: My sympathies to the mods that have to continue to read this shit.

Mods don’t have to read it.  That’s why there is a report feature.

There’s nothing here to report.  He’s hungry, and being well-fed.