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No reason justifies disbelief.
RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
You're the one who wanted to talk about holding a cup of hot chocolate, nutter, lol.  I'm just amused that the "not science" way in which you were going to answer this question, and demonstrate that you can too™ know what it feels like...was to do science.

Should I defer to your earlier objections and continue to assert that I know that you can't know what it feels like to hold a cup of hot chocolate, or defer to your process of checking empirical observations against those of others?

Or should I walk away?

Your thoughts on this issue are a mess, man.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
(March 26, 2019 at 4:50 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Of what practical use is a fundamentally unanswerable question?

 I hope our Protestant/capitalist ideologies aren't so strong that practicality is the only way to be good. 

One benefit that might arise from recognizing an unanswerable question: humility. Knowing one's limits.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
On the subject of "Knowing one's limits"

You can probably estimate within the nearest meter how far away a window is from you at this very moment.
You probably can't estimate within the nearest meter how far away the top window of the Empire State Building in NYC is from you.

Knowing the limits of your ability to estimate distances, weights, sizes of things that are very far away from you, you should be able to reasonably say
"I don't know. That object is too far away. It's too massive. I couldn't possibly even begin to estimate it's attributes with my own senses."

But now, let's say someone says they know without a doubt how large something is that they cannot measure. It's unmeasurable and yet they believe they KNOW how large it is. They know it's infinite. An attribute that can't be measured, but yet they believe that they know it.

What are we to make of someone who uses their imagination to go beyond their known limits of perception ?

Is this person delusional ?
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
(March 26, 2019 at 7:32 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: On the subject of "Knowing one's limits"

You can probably estimate within the nearest meter how far away a window is from you at this very moment.
You probably can't estimate within the nearest meter how far away the top window of the Empire State Building in NYC is from you.

Knowing the limits of your ability to estimate distances, weights, sizes of things that are very far away from you, you should be able to reasonably say
"I don't know. That object is too far away. It's too massive. I couldn't possibly even begin to estimate it's attributes with my own senses."

But now, let's say someone says they know without a doubt how large something is that they cannot measure. It's unmeasurable and yet they believe they KNOW how large it is. They know it's infinite. An attribute that can't be measured, but yet they believe that they know it.

What are we to make of someone who uses their imagination to go beyond their known limits of perception ?

Is this person delusional ?

Approximately 1 metre an 14, 397,000 metres respectively, give or take.
Dying to live, living to die.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
(March 26, 2019 at 7:32 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Is this person delusional ?

It depends on how he goes about it. How much he believes himself. Whether he listens to criticism. Etc.

Perception is pretty limited. Physicists talk about stuff beyond that limit all the time. To come up with new theories requires imagination.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
(March 26, 2019 at 5:58 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You're the one who wanted to talk about holding a cup of hot chocolate, nutter, lol.  I'm just amused that the "not science" way in which you were going to answer this question, and demonstrate that you can too™ know what it feels like...was to do science.

Should I defer to your earlier objections and continue to assert that I know that you can't know what it feels like to hold a cup of hot chocolate, or defer to your process of checking empirical observations against those of others?

Or should I walk away?

Your thoughts on this issue are a mess, man.

Your straw men are not only not very good points, but they're now too repetitive to be interesting.  Unstick that "repeat" button and say something fresh, or I'll consider your contribution to this line of thinking exhausted, and start skipping your posts.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
If you say so, Benny.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
(March 18, 2019 at 6:39 am)Catharsis Wrote:
(March 18, 2019 at 6:32 am)wyzas Wrote: Does a reasonable person disbelieve in gravity?

Pointless questions also don't justify disbelief.

(March 18, 2019 at 6:33 am)chimp3 Wrote: Do you believe in the divinity of Krishna?

I believe in a creator of existence. All gods other than the creator, manmade or not, I do not want to follow.
All gods were created by Man.  Without Man, no god would exist.
Where are we going and why am I in this hand basket?
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RE: No reason justifies disbelief.
(March 27, 2019 at 5:58 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote:
(March 18, 2019 at 6:39 am)Catharsis Wrote: Pointless questions also don't justify disbelief.


I believe in a creator of existence. All gods other than the creator, manmade or not, I do not want to follow.
All gods were created by Man.  Without Man, no god would exist.

It's implausible man created the god that created man.
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