Jesus does indeed read the heart.  What's he going to find when he reads yours?  Humility, wisdom, and faith?  Or pride, ignorance, and doubt?  

Finding out that you came from a monkey has you scrambling all over yourself for a way to reject the work of creation, siding with one charlatan after the next, lying about the truth of god to non believers the whole way along, refusing to accept the advice of scripture.

(March 27, 2019 at 12:39 am)CDF47 Wrote: I've taken plenty of ethics training.  God the Son came here as Savior.  

The divinity of Jesus is different in each gospel, (which you would know, had you ever actually studied the Bible).
If you had ever taken Ethics, you would know how ridiculous and immoral "salvation" is, and BTW, the role of the Messiah was never to save from sin. Christians cooked up that nonsense. It's not a Biblical idea. At all.  

Quote:What I said was fine and Dr. Meyer is brilliant.  

He's not an expert in the field he pretends to know about. What you said is more than stupid.

Quote:There are not 35,000 sects.  That is an exaggerated figure.  The actual number is over one thousand or so.  I stick with more of a Protestant faith which teaches out of the Scriptures (OT & NT).  I am not trying to scare anyone. Just pointing out some facts about science some may not have been aware of.

Too bad you're wrong.
https://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/...worldwide/

Quote:Jesus reads the heart.  Lip service does not work with the Lord.

Then telling him you believe when you don't isn't going to work, ... is it ?

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(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: [quote='Abaddon_ire' pid='1894853' dateline='1553602690']
Stupid circular reasoning.

The Quran says it is true. Why do you not believe that?

False. You were challenged on this baloney and failed miserably to defend it.

False. It is copied from other earlier superstitions.

So what? That is a claim. It is unevidenced.

False. That is a later retcon the shoehorn jesus into the OT.

Unevidenced claim.

Did he? So you hate figs then?


No thanks, I am not interested in the snake oil you are peddling. All you have really demonstrated is that the crank religion you believe in forces you to become a liar.

Why? It doesn't originate with your god or your jesus or any of the apostles. It originates from men.

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You still have not answered this CDF. When exactly was your ideal time? By now you are somewhere back in the 19th century.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: In the Quran Allah is known as being the greatest deceiver. I can't follow that.

But is The Quran true? Yes or no.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Prophecies came true. Start studying. The Book of Daniel is a great start for a lot of prophecy.

Been there done that. You are lying about the book of Daniel. Again.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is the only religion which claims you can't save yourself. It takes Jesus to save.

No it isn't, so that's another lie.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is great proof and evidence of creation.

There is none at all.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: The OT describes Jesus perfectly.

Not even close.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is historical evidence of Jesus as I've presented in this thread.

Who cares if there was or was not a religious loon wandering the levant? There were lots of them.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's not snake oil. It's the truth of creation.

But you can't demonstrate it. Some truth that is.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Nicene Creed summarizes things well.

Try reading it.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: We have been in the last days since the Lord departed Earth so there is no idea time.

OK that is just laughable. How about you demonstrate that?

(March 27, 2019 at 5:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 8:18 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Stupid circular reasoning.

The Quran says it is true. Why do you not believe that?

False. You were challenged on this baloney and failed miserably to defend it.

False. It is copied from other earlier superstitions.

So what? That is a claim. It is unevidenced.

False. That is a later retcon the shoehorn jesus into the OT.

Unevidenced claim.

Did he? So you hate figs then?


No thanks, I am not interested in the snake oil you are peddling. All you have really demonstrated is that the crank religion you believe in forces you to become a liar.

Why? It doesn't originate with your god or your jesus or any of the apostles. It originates from men.

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You still have not answered this CDF. When exactly was your ideal time? By now you are somewhere back in the 19th century.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: In the Quran Allah is known as being the greatest deceiver. I can't follow that.

But is The Quran true? Yes or no.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Prophecies came true. Start studying. The Book of Daniel is a great start for a lot of prophecy.

Been there done that. You are lying about the book of Daniel. Again.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is the only religion which claims you can't save yourself. It takes Jesus to save.

No it isn't, so that's another lie.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is great proof and evidence of creation.

There is none at all.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: The OT describes Jesus perfectly.

Not even close.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is historical evidence of Jesus as I've presented in this thread.

Who cares if there was or was not a religious loon wandering the levant? There were lots of them.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's not snake oil. It's the truth of creation.

But you can't demonstrate it. Some truth that is.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Nicene Creed summarizes things well.

Try reading it.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: We have been in the last days since the Lord departed Earth so there is no idea time.

OK that is just laughable. How about you demonstrate that?

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((0))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


 Just another pig ignorant fundamentalist.


Christianity is perhaps the first failed millennia/apocalyptic movement. Jesus' original disciples expected his return within their lifetime, because he said he would.. When that didn't happen, some changes were made to justify the non event.
 
Here's a favourite:

"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return

The fact that Christianity started as a Jewish apocalyptic movement is evidenced by the teachings of the Biblical Jesus concerning the end of days. Not only did he preach he would rise from the grave, but that he would also ascend to the Heaven and one day return to judge and rule over the world. When did Jesus say his return would be? While he said no one, including himself, knew the exact time of his return, he knew it would be before the end of his generation."

https://blacknonbelievers.wordpress.com/...is-return/

Today sects such as Seventh Day  Adventists continue that tradition.The formation and behaviour of modern millennial movements can actually be predicted from the time they begin and what happens when predictions don't come true.. 

See "New Heaven New Earth" Kenhelm Burridge (this book was required reading at University)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenelm_Burridge

(March 27, 2019 at 9:00 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Jesus does indeed read the heart.  What's he going to find when he reads yours?  Humility, wisdom, and faith?  Or pride, ignorance, and doubt?  

Finding out that you came from a monkey has you scrambling all over yourself for a way to reject the work of creation, siding with one charlatan after the next, lying about the truth of god to non believers the whole way along, refusing to accept the advice of scripture.

I don't believe i did any of those things and I definitely did not intend to so stop falsely accusing me of random BS.  I don't do that to you or anyone else on this board so it would be fair enough.  I try to live a good life in thought, word, and action but I fall short like everyone else.  I try to be humble, wise, and faithful to the best of my God given abilities.  My salvation is through Jesus Christ, thank God, because we fall way short.

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(March 27, 2019 at 11:38 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(March 27, 2019 at 12:39 am)CDF47 Wrote: I've taken plenty of ethics training.  God the Son came here as Savior.  

The divinity of Jesus is different in each gospel, (which you would know, had you ever actually studied the Bible).
If you had ever taken Ethics, you would know how ridiculous and immoral "salvation" is, and BTW, the role of the Messiah was never to save from sin. Christians cooked up that nonsense. It's not a Biblical idea. At all.  

Quote:What I said was fine and Dr. Meyer is brilliant.  

He's not an expert in the field he pretends to know about. What you said is more than stupid.

Quote:There are not 35,000 sects.  That is an exaggerated figure.  The actual number is over one thousand or so.  I stick with more of a Protestant faith which teaches out of the Scriptures (OT & NT).  I am not trying to scare anyone. Just pointing out some facts about science some may not have been aware of.

Too bad you're wrong.
https://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/...worldwide/

Quote:Jesus reads the heart.  Lip service does not work with the Lord.

Then telling him you believe when you don't isn't going to work, ... is it ?

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Salvation is not immoral.  We could not live the perfectly righteous life so He did and took on the wrath we deserved for our sins.  He is a leader from the front.  He died for His people.  What an incredible sacrifice.  Not to mention, the way in which He died.  The Lord is great!

Dr. Meyer is a brilliant scientist.  I don't care how you try to smear him or discredit him.  

That 35,000 figure is heavily disputed.  I heard it is more like one thousand or more but not much more.

Telling Him you believe when you don't will not work because He reads the heart.  But if you turn your heart over to Him and let the Lord into your heart then you will be saved and improve in righteous in the sight of God.

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(March 27, 2019 at 5:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 8:18 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Stupid circular reasoning.

The Quran says it is true. Why do you not believe that?

False. You were challenged on this baloney and failed miserably to defend it.

False. It is copied from other earlier superstitions.

So what? That is a claim. It is unevidenced.

False. That is a later retcon the shoehorn jesus into the OT.

Unevidenced claim.

Did he? So you hate figs then?


No thanks, I am not interested in the snake oil you are peddling. All you have really demonstrated is that the crank religion you believe in forces you to become a liar.

Why? It doesn't originate with your god or your jesus or any of the apostles. It originates from men.

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You still have not answered this CDF. When exactly was your ideal time? By now you are somewhere back in the 19th century.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: In the Quran Allah is known as being the greatest deceiver. I can't follow that.

But is The Quran true? Yes or no.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Prophecies came true. Start studying. The Book of Daniel is a great start for a lot of prophecy.

Been there done that. You are lying about the book of Daniel. Again.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is the only religion which claims you can't save yourself. It takes Jesus to save.

No it isn't, so that's another lie.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is great proof and evidence of creation.

There is none at all.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: The OT describes Jesus perfectly.

Not even close.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: There is historical evidence of Jesus as I've presented in this thread.

Who cares if there was or was not a religious loon wandering the levant? There were lots of them.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: It's not snake oil. It's the truth of creation.

But you can't demonstrate it. Some truth that is.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: Nicene Creed summarizes things well.

Try reading it.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: We have been in the last days since the Lord departed Earth so there is no idea time.

OK that is just laughable. How about you demonstrate that?

The Quran is false.  Islam is a false religion in my opinion.  The only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ the Lord.  This is clear in the Holy Scriptures.  
Not lying about any prophecies.  Read the Book.
Yes, it is.  It is the only religion with Jesus atonement for sin.
Yes, there is.
Yes, it does.
Just was saying the historical Jesus was real.  I provided plenty of documentation in this thread to support that claim.  
I did demonstrate it in this thread. 
I've read it numerous times.
No, it is not.  The temple was destroyed in 70 AD.  These are the last days but no one knows when the end times is.  Only God knows the final time of Earth when Jesus will return.

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(March 27, 2019 at 7:17 pm)fredd bear Wrote: ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((0))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


 Just another pig ignorant fundamentalist.


Christianity is perhaps the first failed millennia/apocalyptic movement. Jesus' original disciples expected his return within their lifetime, because he said he would.. When that didn't happen, some changes were made to justify the non event.
 
Here's a favourite:

"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return

The fact that Christianity started as a Jewish apocalyptic movement is evidenced by the teachings of the Biblical Jesus concerning the end of days. Not only did he preach he would rise from the grave, but that he would also ascend to the Heaven and one day return to judge and rule over the world. When did Jesus say his return would be? While he said no one, including himself, knew the exact time of his return, he knew it would be before the end of his generation."

https://blacknonbelievers.wordpress.com/...is-return/

Today sects such as Seventh Day  Adventists continue that tradition.The formation and behaviour of modern millennial movements can actually be predicted from the time they begin and what happens when predictions don't come true.. 

See "New Heaven New Earth" Kenhelm Burridge (this book was required reading at University)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenelm_Burridge

No one but the Father knows the time of Jesus' return.

Not even Jesus ? Some "trinity" ya got there. It can't be "one god" if one knows something the other doesn't. 

You're a heretic and going to hell for it. 
The Quran is scripture. 

2 Timothy 3:16-17 
16 All Scripture is [a]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [b]training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Repent your sins and believe on the Bible. 

(March 27, 2019 at 7:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 27, 2019 at 9:00 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Jesus does indeed read the heart.  What's he going to find when he reads yours?  Humility, wisdom, and faith?  Or pride, ignorance, and doubt?  

Finding out that you came from a monkey has you scrambling all over yourself for a way to reject the work of creation, siding with one charlatan after the next, lying about the truth of god to non believers the whole way along, refusing to accept the advice of scripture.

I don't believe i did any of those things and I definitely did not intend to so stop falsely accusing me of random BS.  I don't do that to you or anyone else on this board so it would be fair enough.  I try to live a good life in thought, word, and action but I fall short like everyone else.  I try to be humble, wise, and faithful to the best of my God given abilities.  My salvation is through Jesus Christ, thank God, because we fall way short.

Who gives a shit what you believe?  Not me, not jesus. Plenty of people are going to swear up and down that they thought they were doing his work and spreading his gospel.
He doesn't know you.

You can take my advice or leave it, you can take the advice of scripture or leave it..but I think that you should do some soul searching, figure out why biology makes you insecure. It's not like it threatens a god, it's not his hangup, it's yours. Maybe when you figure that out and resolve it you can get to the serious business of being filled with joy and wonder at all of this creation as it is, as god intended it, as god made it. Less time spreading the gospel of charlatans who monetize and politicize your faith in christ.

(March 27, 2019 at 8:48 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Not even Jesus ? Some "trinity" ya got there. It can't be "one god" if one knows something the other doesn't. 

You're a heretic and going to hell for it. 
The Quran is scripture. 

2 Timothy 3:16-17 
16 All Scripture is [a]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [b]training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

Repent your sins and believe on the Bible. 

That was at a time when Jesus was man on Earth.  

All of the Holy Scripture that is, not the Quran.

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(March 27, 2019 at 10:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 27, 2019 at 7:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I don't believe i did any of those things and I definitely did not intend to so stop falsely accusing me of random BS.  I don't do that to you or anyone else on this board so it would be fair enough.  I try to live a good life in thought, word, and action but I fall short like everyone else.  I try to be humble, wise, and faithful to the best of my God given abilities.  My salvation is through Jesus Christ, thank God, because we fall way short.

Who gives a shit what you believe?  Not me, not jesus. Plenty of people are going to swear up and down that they thought they were doing his work and spreading his gospel.
He doesn't know you.

You can take my advice or leave it, you can take the advice of scripture or leave it..but I think that you should do some soul searching, figure out why biology makes you insecure.  It's not like it threatens a god, it's not his hangup, it's yours.  Maybe when you figure that out and resolve it you can get to the serious business of being filled with joy and wonder at all of this creation as it is, as god intended it, as god made it.  Less time spreading the gospel of charlatans who monetize and politicize your faith in christ.

Gae, it is expected that there will be charlatans.  It is spoken of in the Scriptures.  They are false teachers.  That is why it takes discernment on the Christian's part to avoid such teachers.  There are real and true teachers out there that should be followed.  

Also, biology does not make me insecure in my faith.  It actually helps strengthen my faith.

1300 pages of the gospel of Behe and Meyer argues to the contrary.  Fuck it, it's your soul to burn, I guess.

(March 28, 2019 at 8:30 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: 1300 pages of the gospel of Behe and Meyer argues to the contrary.  Fuck it, it's your soul to burn, I guess.

They are two great scientists that you mock. Just like the great scientists back in the day were mocked; like Copernicus.