(March 26, 2019 at 2:32 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 2:26 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Ah... the old "We're created" trope gets trotted out again...

So.. how's the reply to "If we're made of dust." Why are we Carbon based life forms' coming along CDF47?

Not at work.

Scientists acknowledge we are made of dust. They believe we come from star dust from a super nova explosion billions of years ago. Even the iron in our blood was once at the core of a star billions of years ago. Amazing design.

Actually science does not posit ANYWHERE we are "made of dust". You can reference NO scientific peer-reviewed study that concludes that nonsense. "Dust" is not even defined. You never really, ever, studied science did you ? Science does hypothesize that the heavy elements (such as iron) came from supernovae ... but that's NOT EVER in any way (as the Bible says, created in a "garden") which you cherry-pick, when it's convenient. It's not designed. Life evolved and instead of carbon it could be silicon based. Why is that ? How about YOU tell us, and prove you know what you're talking about. DNA as we know it is piss-poor design. Humans have recently made better versions of DNA which carry more information. Your deity is a bad designer. He gave elephants better immune systems that humans. NO ONE here buys your childish ignorant nonsense. No one. And no one care what you believe. You don't even know the HISTORY of how and why writings ("scripture") became a "canon", and what the cultural history is of it being the "word of god", and what that means. You have the knowledge and understanding of a 3rd Grader. You're wasting your time here.

(March 26, 2019 at 12:29 am)CDF47 Wrote: I repent my sins to the best of my ability.  I fail all the time as I am a sinful human.  No one could ever live up to what the Lord accomplished in thought, word, and action.

Yes, clearly you're a failure, and god has in turn made it clear what he thinks of you and failures like these.  

Quote:It is highly disputed that we descended from monkeys.  The fossil record shows an explosion of life, not a slow gradual process of increasing complexity leading ultimately to humans.  I agree there is micro-evolution and adaptation.

It isn't, you simply would rather not be how the author of creation made you, and on account of that have turned to false prophets, rejecting the work of the lord, your god.  

Quote:There is conflicting evidence that we have come from monkeys.  Read or watch videos about Darwin's Doubt by Dr. Meyer.

Testifying in the name of Behe and Meher, lol

Quote:We proclaim the gospel as directed by the Lord.  Too bad you have such a poor opinion of us.  We know the truth which you refuse to listen to.

You've been proclaiming the gospel of Behe and Meyer these past 1300 pages.  Are they your lord?

....and this is why jesus doesn't know you, why god won't hear you when you cry out, these are the words by which you condemn yourself. It's not as if magic book didn't warn you that there would be many false prophets who would appear and lead many astray.

You should get right with jesus before it's too late.

(March 26, 2019 at 2:51 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 2:32 am)CDF47 Wrote: Scientists acknowledge we are made of dust. They believe we come from star dust from a super nova explosion billions of years ago. Even the iron in our blood was once at the core of a star billions of years ago. Amazing design.

Yes... Bravo, very poeetic.

Of course, you're ignoring tha actual lines from the book. Y'know? About Man being made 'From dust of the Earth' ?

That vibe?

With pretty much the highest component of the Earth being Silicon and not Carbon.

Still... You keep on doing you CDF47.

Not at work.

We are from the dust of the Earth.

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(March 26, 2019 at 3:34 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(March 25, 2019 at 9:22 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Yeah, poof we popped out of the ground containing written codes but it was all through material and chemical means. A creation requires a Creator.

Like Gae said, that's idiotic... and I'd add it shows just how little you understand the actual world around you and prefer there to be some magic sky man who makes those things which you find incomprehensible.
There are many people pouring their intellect into potential ways that abiogenesis can have happened on Earth. There are many ways it may have happened and, even if one of those does succeed in the lab, it is no guarantee that it is the one that actually occurred all those millions of years ago on this planet. Short of using a time machine, we may never know for sure.
But mankind is curious and wants to know of at least a way it could have happened... and the ideas that exist posit that no magic is required... no creator. Just chemistry.
When you look at it, today's DNA does seem to operate on only chemistry, so it makes sense that that's how it began.

They will never find anything without a Creator being necessary.

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(March 26, 2019 at 7:38 am)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 12:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: That's probably not entirely true.  Hopefully some lurkers on here seen the truth and know that they are created so they can begin looking into theology for answers.  That is where science leads.

Science leads to theology? Really?.. I would argue that it’s the other way round, given the fact that theology often makes erroneous oversimplifications and then people use science to discover the facts and separate it from the fiction.

In a humorous way..

‘Science is the process we’ve designed in order to generate our best guess as to what the fuck is going on’ - GirlyMan

After the design is proven, theology is the only natural move.

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(March 26, 2019 at 8:18 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I accept the Bible as the Word of God because it says it is and I believe it.

Stupid circular reasoning.

The Quran says it is true. Why do you not believe that?

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Contained within are prophecies of the future which came true.

False. You were challenged on this baloney and failed miserably to defend it.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It is unique from all other religions.

False. It is copied from other earlier superstitions.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It states in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.

So what? That is a claim. It is unevidenced.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It tells truths about the coming Messiah in the OT which are fulfilled in Jesus in the NT.

False. That is a later retcon the shoehorn jesus into the OT.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He came here perfectlly righteous as God the Son.

Unevidenced claim.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He lead by example and instructed us how to live.

Did he? So you hate figs then?

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He will save those that believe in Him.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Repent and believe in Jesus to be saved.  

No thanks, I am not interested in the snake oil you are peddling. All you have really demonstrated is that the crank religion you believe in forces you to become a liar.

(March 25, 2019 at 9:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: There is nothing heritcal I said. I also believe in the Nicene Creed.

Why? It doesn't originate with your god or your jesus or any of the apostles. It originates from men.

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(March 22, 2019 at 11:55 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Well thats a start I guess. When exactly before the 1940s is your ideal time?

You still have not answered this CDF. When exactly was your ideal time? By now you are somewhere back in the 19th century.

In the Quran Allah is known as being the greatest deceiver. I can't follow that.

Prophecies came true. Start studying. The Book of Daniel is a great start for a lot of prophecy.

It is the only religion which claims you can't save yourself. It takes Jesus to save.

There is great proof and evidence of creation.

The OT describes Jesus perfectly.

There is historical evidence of Jesus as I've presented in this thread.

It's not snake oil. It's the truth of creation.

Nicene Creed summarizes things well.

We have been in the last days since the Lord departed Earth so there is no idea time.

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(March 26, 2019 at 9:13 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 2:32 am)CDF47 Wrote: Scientists acknowledge we are made of dust. They believe we come from star dust from a super nova explosion billions of years ago. Even the iron in our blood was once at the core of a star billions of years ago. Amazing design.

Actually science does not posit ANYWHERE we are "made of dust". You can reference NO scientific peer-reviewed study that concludes that nonsense. "Dust" is not even defined. You never really, ever, studied science did you ? Science does hypothesize that the heavy elements (such as iron) came from supernovae ... but that's NOT EVER in any way (as the Bible says, created in a "garden") which you cherry-pick, when it's convenient. It's not designed. Life evolved and instead of carbon it could be silicon based. Why is that ? How about YOU tell us, and prove you know what you're talking about. DNA as we know it is piss-poor design. Humans have recently made better versions of DNA which carry more information. Your deity is a bad designer. He gave elephants better immune systems that humans. NO ONE here buys your childish ignorant nonsense. No one. And no one care what you believe. You don't even know the HISTORY of how and why writings ("scripture") became a "canon", and what the cultural history is of it being the "word of god", and what that means. You have the knowledge and understanding of a 3rd Grader. You're wasting your time here.

Lol...Then explain to what you know. So far I'm not impressed.

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(March 26, 2019 at 9:25 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 12:29 am)CDF47 Wrote: I repent my sins to the best of my ability.  I fail all the time as I am a sinful human.  No one could ever live up to what the Lord accomplished in thought, word, and action.

Yes, clearly you're a failure, and god has in turn made it clear what he thinks of you and failures like these.  

Quote:It is highly disputed that we descended from monkeys.  The fossil record shows an explosion of life, not a slow gradual process of increasing complexity leading ultimately to humans.  I agree there is micro-evolution and adaptation.

It isn't, you simply would rather not be how the author of creation made you, and on account of that have turned to false prophets, rejecting the work of the lord, your god.  

Quote:There is conflicting evidence that we have come from monkeys.  Read or watch videos about Darwin's Doubt by Dr. Meyer.

Testifying in the name of Behe and Meher, lol

Quote:We proclaim the gospel as directed by the Lord.  Too bad you have such a poor opinion of us.  We know the truth which you refuse to listen to.

You've been proclaiming the gospel of Behe and Meyer these past 1300 pages.  Are they your lord?

....and this is why jesus doesn't know you, why god won't hear you when you cry out, these are the words by which you condemn yourself. It's not as if magic book didn't warn you that there would be many false prophets who would appear and lead many astray.

You should get right with jesus before it's too late.

The Lord gave us two brilliant scientists that are very knowledgeable. Listening to them is not heresy.

Quote: Wrote:I repent my sins to the best of my ability.  I fail all the time as I am a sinful human.  No one could ever live up to what the Lord accomplished in thought, word, and action. 

Your moral obligations have nothing to do with what someone else did or does. Your obligations relate only to YOU and YOUR position with respect to YOUR mandates. YOU are not expected to do anything someone else did. You only have to do what you have to do. You should take an ethics class some day.   

Quote:It is highly disputed that we descended from monkeys.  The fossil record shows an explosion of life, not a slow gradual process of increasing complexity leading ultimately to humans. I agree there is micro-evolution and adaptation.

Since you are incompetent and uneducated, no one cares what you think about any subject.
That humans share a common ancestry with other primates is not at all "highly disputed". You are lying. Or just highly ignorant.
Evolution does not posit that "we are descended from monkeys". You should take a class in Biology also. You have no clue about what Evolution shows.
There was an explosion (the Cambrian), but it has nothing to do with human common ancestry. You are totally INCOMPETENT to say anything on the subject.  

Quote: Wrote:There is conflicting evidence that we have come from monkeys.  Read or watch videos about Darwin's Doubt by Dr. Meyer.

Meyer is not even trained in the field. He is an ignoramus and a fool.

Quote: Wrote:We proclaim the gospel as directed by the Lord.  Too bad you have such a poor opinion of us.  We know the truth which you refuse to listen to.

All sorts of you so-called Christians proclaim all kinds of different "gospels" ... which is why there are 35,000 sects of your cult. 
Since time immemorial every religious nut case, ever, has been stomping their impotent little self-assured feet, demanding they be listened to, and proclaiming they have the truth. You don't and are no better than anyone in the long long long line of nuts, demanding they be listened to, and trying to SCARE people into agreeing with their idiotic cults.
Is your Jesus SO stupid he doesn't know when people *say* they believe but really don't. Would he rather that people pay lip-service and lie ?

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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(March 26, 2019 at 7:38 am)TwoKnives99 Wrote: Science leads to theology? Really?.. I would argue that it’s the other way round, given the fact that theology often makes erroneous oversimplifications and then people use science to discover the facts and separate it from the fiction.

In a humorous way..

‘Science is the process we’ve designed in order to generate our best guess as to what the fuck is going on’ - GirlyMan

After the design is proven, theology is the only natural move.

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Okay, but the design has not been proven, not by you and not by DNA.

(March 26, 2019 at 3:14 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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After the design is proven, theology is the only natural move.

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Okay, but the design has not been proven, not by you and not by DNA.

God of the gaps, desperation.
Theology might be the only move you know to make, but it's unnatural. .

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 2:51 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Yes... Bravo, very poeetic.

Of course, you're ignoring tha actual lines from the book. Y'know? About Man being made 'From dust of the Earth' ?

That vibe?

With pretty much the highest component of the Earth being Silicon and not Carbon.

Still... You keep on doing you CDF47.

Not at work.

We are from the dust of the Earth.

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 So... we're made of ancient remants that just happenend to coalesce from distant deaths of other stars.

Again, you're latching onto Carl Sagan's poetic comment from the series 'Cosmos'.

That the Earth is primarily the silicon of said events and we are primarily carbon is a... bit of a differance there CDF47.

So... you diety made billions of star so that they can randomly explode and eventually, on one little spec of aggregate material, we have carbon leaching along the surface of a ball made mainly of silicon....

Oh... but the whole amount of events were 'Predetermined' were they not?

It wasn't chance that the remants of the distant stars clumped into our solar system.

Your diety rigs lotteries to get the outcome it wants by your seeming thinking.

*Sigh*

Not at work

Even if creation was to be proved tomorrow, it wouldn't immediately prove the Abrahamic god.

(March 26, 2019 at 8:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Even if creation was to be proved tomorrow, it wouldn't immediately prove the Abrahamic god.

Yeah, as I've mentioned  YHWH was pinched from the Chaldeans. He was only one among many gods.  He even had a wife, Asherah, who was part of the Chaldean pantheon.. (see quote below)

When the Canaanites borrowed YHWH, he was only a tribal god. He did not become  the only god, lord of the universe until well after the putative Exodus.

Did God Have a Wife?: Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel, (Eerdmans, ISBN 0-8028-2852-3, 2005),[1] is a book by Syro-Palestinian archaeologist William G. Dever, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Archeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona. Did God Have a Wife? was intended as a popular work making available to the general public the evidence long known to archaeologists regarding ancient Israelite religion: namely that the Israelite god of antiquity (before 600 BCE), Yahweh, had a consort, that her name was Asherah, and that she was part of the Canaanite pantheon. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_God_Have_a_Wife%3F

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As for the polytheistic nature of the ancient Canaanites/ Hebrews. A fascinating read, recommended.

The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts, a book published in 2001, discusses the archaeology of Israel and its relationship to the origins and content of the Hebrew Bible. The authors are Israel Finkelstein, Professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, and Neil Asher Silberman, an archaeologist, historian and contributing editor to Archaeology Magazine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed

(March 26, 2019 at 12:49 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote: Wrote:I repent my sins to the best of my ability.  I fail all the time as I am a sinful human.  No one could ever live up to what the Lord accomplished in thought, word, and action. 

Your moral obligations have nothing to do with what someone else did or does. Your obligations relate only to YOU and YOUR position with respect to YOUR mandates. YOU are not expected to do anything someone else did. You only have to do what you have to do. You should take an ethics class some day.   

Quote:It is highly disputed that we descended from monkeys.  The fossil record shows an explosion of life, not a slow gradual process of increasing complexity leading ultimately to humans. I agree there is micro-evolution and adaptation.

Since you are incompetent and uneducated, no one cares what you think about any subject.
That humans share a common ancestry with other primates is not at all "highly disputed". You are lying. Or just highly ignorant.
Evolution does not posit that "we are descended from monkeys". You should take a class in Biology also. You have no clue about what Evolution shows.
There was an explosion (the Cambrian), but it has nothing to do with human common ancestry. You are totally INCOMPETENT to say anything on the subject.  

Quote: Wrote:There is conflicting evidence that we have come from monkeys.  Read or watch videos about Darwin's Doubt by Dr. Meyer.

Meyer is not even trained in the field. He is an ignoramus and a fool.

Quote: Wrote:We proclaim the gospel as directed by the Lord.  Too bad you have such a poor opinion of us.  We know the truth which you refuse to listen to.

All sorts of you so-called Christians proclaim all kinds of different "gospels" ... which is why there are 35,000 sects of your cult. 
Since time immemorial every religious nut case, ever, has been stomping their impotent little self-assured feet, demanding they be listened to, and proclaiming they have the truth. You don't and are no better than anyone in the long long long line of nuts, demanding they be listened to, and trying to SCARE people into agreeing with their idiotic cults.
Is your Jesus SO stupid he doesn't know when people *say* they believe but really don't. Would he rather that people pay lip-service and lie ?

I've taken plenty of ethics training.  God the Son came here as Savior.  

What I said was fine and Dr. Meyer is brilliant.  

There are not 35,000 sects.  That is an exaggerated figure.  The actual number is over one thousand or so.  I stick with more of a Protestant faith which teaches out of the Scriptures (OT & NT).  I am not trying to scare anyone. Just pointing out some facts about science some may not have been aware of.

Jesus reads the heart.  Lip service does not work with the Lord.

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(March 26, 2019 at 3:14 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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After the design is proven, theology is the only natural move.

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Okay, but the design has not been proven, not by you and not by DNA.

The proof is inside DNA as I describe.

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(March 26, 2019 at 8:33 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 10:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: We are from the dust of the Earth.

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 So... we're made of ancient remants that just happenend to coalesce from distant deaths of other stars.

Again, you're latching onto Carl Sagan's poetic comment from the series 'Cosmos'.

That the Earth is primarily the silicon of said events and we are primarily carbon is a... bit of a differance there CDF47.

So... you diety made billions of star so that they can randomly explode and eventually, on one little spec of aggregate material, we have carbon leaching along the surface of a ball made mainly of silicon....

Oh... but the whole amount of events were 'Predetermined' were they not?

It wasn't chance that the remants of the distant stars clumped into our solar system.

Your diety rigs lotteries to get the outcome it wants by your seeming thinking.

*Sigh*

Not at work

Yes, God is obviously involved with His creation.  New information shows up in new life forms.  The universe is fine-tuned,...

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(March 26, 2019 at 8:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Even if creation was to be proved tomorrow, it wouldn't immediately prove the Abrahamic god.

The prophecies in the Book come true.

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(March 26, 2019 at 10:38 pm)fredd bear Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 8:39 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Even if creation was to be proved tomorrow, it wouldn't immediately prove the Abrahamic god.

Yeah, as I've mentioned  YHWH was pinched from the Chaldeans. He was only one among many gods.  He even had a wife, Asherah, who was part of the Chaldean pantheon.. (see quote below)

When the Canaanites borrowed YHWH, he was only a tribal god. He did not become  the only god, lord of the universe until well after the putative Exodus.

Did God Have a Wife?: Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel, (Eerdmans, ISBN 0-8028-2852-3, 2005),[1] is a book by Syro-Palestinian archaeologist William G. Dever, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Archeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona. Did God Have a Wife? was intended as a popular work making available to the general public the evidence long known to archaeologists regarding ancient Israelite religion: namely that the Israelite god of antiquity (before 600 BCE), Yahweh, had a consort, that her name was Asherah, and that she was part of the Canaanite pantheon. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_God_Have_a_Wife%3F

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((9)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

As for the polytheistic nature of the ancient Canaanites/ Hebrews. A fascinating read, recommended.

The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts, a book published in 2001, discusses the archaeology of Israel and its relationship to the origins and content of the Hebrew Bible. The authors are Israel Finkelstein, Professor of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University, and Neil Asher Silberman, an archaeologist, historian and contributing editor to Archaeology Magazine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed

The reality was always that the Lord was the One True God.  They stole from this reality and some religions steal from the reality of the Trinity or Godhead.