(March 28, 2019 at 10:44 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 5:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: That was at a time when Jesus was man on Earth.  

All of the Holy Scripture that is, not the Quran.

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Jesus was already LONG gone when that was written. Try try again.

Well, technically, not quite.  Much of the Quran was lifted from the Torah, which predates Jesus by some centuries.

The Q'uran was written 'some time' after the death of the illiterate prophet. It was preserved orally.--an a bang up job they did too!


CD's a complete dick ain't he. Few things worse than an arrogant ignoramus.

My prediction is to reply to our posts ,he will open his mouth to change feet. (again)

(March 28, 2019 at 10:25 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 9:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I do not believe in the Quran, no.

Then you are an atheist with regard to islam, allah, mohammed and the quran.
What is your position on Thor and all his buddies, or Zeus and all his crew? Are they true or false?

(March 28, 2019 at 9:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The prophecies are real.

The prophecies exist. They do not refer to your jesus, the NT jesus or any jesus. Twisting the scripture to make it seem so is simply a big LIE.

(March 28, 2019 at 9:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Jesus atones for sin.  His followers took there news to the death.  Leaders of Rome and Hebrew leaders had Him killed.  He wasn't some random man claiming to be a prophet and there are always false prophets in the world.  The Scriptures warn of this.  

The whole doctrine of vicarious atonement is itself evil. I didn't ask for it and I don't want it and it is utterly pointless. It fundamentally violates free will. And it never happened. The notion that jesus died for our sins is false. At most, he was temporarily inconvenienced for a weekend. After all, he is supposed to be god. Thus he knew that he wasn't actually going to die. So he sacrificed nothing really.

(March 28, 2019 at 9:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Jesus fulfills the OT prophecies.

So he vanquished Rome militarily and established the hegemony of the Jews over everyone, did he? Because that is what the prophecies claim.
  

(March 28, 2019 at 9:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Only God knows when the end times are.

And you apparently because you claim we are in them. If only god knows then why did you make that false claim?

I don't believe in the Norse myths or other mythology.

The prophecies are about Jesus.  Read Isaiah 53 and Daniel.

Atonement is not evil.  The perfectly righteous laid down His life for the unrighteous.  He took the wrath for our sins.

His Word has.  His Kingdom will never end.  He will return in great glory gather His people and destroy the universe I believe.  

I didn't make a false claim.  No one knows the last day but the Father the Lord said when He was a man on Earth.

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(March 28, 2019 at 10:26 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 9:13 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Why do you speak so wickedly?  I pray for salvation.  If I committed sins in this thread I repent of them.  I am not perfect.  Only Christ is perfect.  Do you not care about your eternal soul.  Unbelievers do not make it to heaven.  I pray one day you find the truth.

Why do you hear wickedness when you're reminded of the words of christ?

I don't have any interest in making it to heaven.  Do you?  Better get right with jesus. Lip service won't cut it.

I agree that lip service does not cut it at all.  A person is saved by faith in Jesus as I have stated many times.  People are called to repent and follow the Lord.

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(March 28, 2019 at 10:44 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 5:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: That was at a time when Jesus was man on Earth.  

All of the Holy Scripture that is, not the Quran.

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Jesus was already LONG gone when that was written. Try try again.

No, He wasn't.

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(March 28, 2019 at 11:19 pm)fredd bear Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 10:44 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Jesus was already LONG gone when that was written. Try try again.

Well, technically, not quite.  Much of the Quran was lifted from the Torah, which predates Jesus by some centuries.

The Q'uran was written 'some time' after the death of the illiterate prophet. It was preserved orally.--an a bang up job they did too!


CD's a complete dick ain't he. Few things worse than an arrogant ignoramus.

My prediction is to reply to our posts ,he will open his mouth to change feet. (again)

I am not arrogant.  I am just pointing out the obvious that there is information in DNA that is both complex and functional.  That is all.  That definitely proves someone wrote the complex and functional code.

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 10:25 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Then you are an atheist with regard to islam, allah, mohammed and the quran.
What is your position on Thor and all his buddies, or Zeus and all his crew? Are they true or false?

The prophecies exist. They do not refer to your jesus, the NT jesus or any jesus. Twisting the scripture to make it seem so is simply a big LIE.

The whole doctrine of vicarious atonement is itself evil. I didn't ask for it and I don't want it and it is utterly pointless. It fundamentally violates free will. And it never happened. The notion that jesus died for our sins is false. At most, he was temporarily inconvenienced for a weekend. After all, he is supposed to be god. Thus he knew that he wasn't actually going to die. So he sacrificed nothing really.

So he vanquished Rome militarily and established the hegemony of the Jews over everyone, did he? Because that is what the prophecies claim.
  
And you apparently because you claim we are in them. If only god knows then why did you make that false claim?

I don't believe in the Norse myths or other mythology.

The prophecies are about Jesus.  Read Isaiah 53 and Daniel.

Atonement is not evil.  The perfectly righteous laid down His life for the unrighteous.  He took the wrath for our sins.

His Word has.  His Kingdom will never end.  He will return in great glory gather His people and destroy the universe I believe.  

I didn't make a false claim.  No one knows the last day but the Father the Lord said when He was a man on Earth.

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(March 28, 2019 at 10:26 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Why do you hear wickedness when you're reminded of the words of christ?

I don't have any interest in making it to heaven.  Do you?  Better get right with jesus. Lip service won't cut it.

I agree that lip service does not cut it at all.  A person is saved by faith in Jesus as I have stated many times.  People are called to repent and follow the Lord.

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(March 28, 2019 at 10:44 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Jesus was already LONG gone when that was written. Try try again.

No, He wasn't.

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(March 28, 2019 at 11:19 pm)fredd bear Wrote: Well, technically, not quite.  Much of the Quran was lifted from the Torah, which predates Jesus by some centuries.

The Q'uran was written 'some time' after the death of the illiterate prophet. It was preserved orally.--an a bang up job they did too!


CD's a complete dick ain't he. Few things worse than an arrogant ignoramus.

My prediction is to reply to our posts ,he will open his mouth to change feet. (again)

I am not arrogant.  I am just pointing out the obvious that there is information in DNA that is both complex and functional.  That is all.  That definitely proves someone wrote the complex and functional code.

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Sorry to tell, but arrogant is  the way you come across .Eg  You continue to arrogantly insist that you have a good understanding of DNA even though it has been pointed out to you many times, that you do not. 

Your claims about DNA are just another version of the discredited argument from intelligent design and that of irreducible complexity.  Simply endlessly repeating a claim does not make it true.
 
I think I've made these points before. Ya know what? This is the last time I will comment on this thread.

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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(March 28, 2019 at 10:26 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Why do you hear wickedness when you're reminded of the words of christ?

I don't have any interest in making it to heaven.  Do you?  Better get right with jesus. Lip service won't cut it.

I agree that lip service does not cut it at all.  A person is saved by faith in Jesus as I have stated many times.  People are called to repent and follow the Lord.

Who cares?  I'm not interested and you're not saved.  You have no faith.  The simple fact of your biology has filled you with doubt and lead you to exactly the sort of people who the godman said would lead many astray.

Now you're here repeating this shit. You haven't just failed yourself, you've become a barrier to any plan christ may have had to save us. Way to fail at fishing for men.

(March 29, 2019 at 12:33 am)fredd bear Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I don't believe in the Norse myths or other mythology.

The prophecies are about Jesus.  Read Isaiah 53 and Daniel.

Atonement is not evil.  The perfectly righteous laid down His life for the unrighteous.  He took the wrath for our sins.

His Word has.  His Kingdom will never end.  He will return in great glory gather His people and destroy the universe I believe.  

I didn't make a false claim.  No one knows the last day but the Father the Lord said when He was a man on Earth.

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I agree that lip service does not cut it at all.  A person is saved by faith in Jesus as I have stated many times.  People are called to repent and follow the Lord.

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No, He wasn't.

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I am not arrogant.  I am just pointing out the obvious that there is information in DNA that is both complex and functional.  That is all.  That definitely proves someone wrote the complex and functional code.

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((0)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Sorry to tell, but arrogant is  the way you come across .Eg  You continue to arrogantly insist that you have a good understanding of DNA even though it has been pointed out to you many times, that you do not. 

Your claims about DNA are just another version of the discredited argument from intelligent design and that of irreducible complexity.  Simply endlessly repeating a claim does not make it true.
 
I think I've made these points before. Ya know what? This is the last time I will comment on this thread.

I don't intend to come off arrogant but some things are just clear as day.

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(March 29, 2019 at 1:41 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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I agree that lip service does not cut it at all.  A person is saved by faith in Jesus as I have stated many times.  People are called to repent and follow the Lord.

Who cares?  I'm not interested and you're not saved.  You have no faith.  The simple fact of your biology has filled you with doubt and lead you to exactly the sort of people who the godman said would lead many astray.

Now you're here repeating this shit. You haven't just failed yourself, you've become a barrier to any plan christ may have had to save us. Way to fail at fishing for men.

That's where I disagree. I believe God gave us these men to speak the truth about biology and DNA.

I don't give a shit whether you disagree, biology doesn't give a shit whether you disagree..........and neither does jesus.

If I were you, I'd look into some fire retardant undies.

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I don't believe in the Norse myths or other mythology.

Great, so you are a full on atheist about all of the thousands of claimed deities same as the rest of us.

What is your excuse for the only exception?

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The prophecies are about Jesus.  Read Isaiah 53 and Daniel.

Read them again? Why? Have they changed somehow since a couple of weeks ago?

There are only two ways you can claim those books refer to jesus...

A. you are a liar
or
B. you are an idiot

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Atonement is not evil. 

Not if one does it for oneself. Vicarious atonement is evil.

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The perfectly righteous laid down His life for the unrighteous.

No he didn't. You claim he is still alive and well. He sacrificed nothing

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote:   He took the wrath for our sins.

He took his own wrath?

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: His Word has.  His Kingdom will never end.  He will return in great glory gather His people and destroy the universe I believe.  

He is 2000 years late according to your magic book

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I didn't make a false claim.  No one knows the last day but the Father the Lord said when He was a man on Earth.

Bullshit. You have done nothing but lie your ass off.

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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(March 28, 2019 at 10:44 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Jesus was already LONG gone when that was written. Try try again.

No, He wasn't.

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"No he wasn't" is not adequate. Jesus was GONE (if he ever existed) LONG before Timothy wrote that, AND the canon of scripture was not established, so it could have been ANYTHING, including the 200 "other" gospels. No one care what you believe. You are uneducated and your opinion is basically worthless about any subject, especially science and the Bible.
You argumentation skills are very poor. Can't your Jesus send someone who is :
a. educated in the basics of science,
b. has had at least basic training in the Bible.
You have neither.
As far as prophesy goes, your typical (ignorant) American Fundamentalist understanding is totally false.
In Hebrew culture, a "prophet" ("mouthpiece") was someone who spoke the will of their god, TO THE PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN TIME.
It was not prediction of the future. In main-line seminaries and all the major schools of Biblical Studies, the freshmen students learn this in Bible 101.
The ancient role of a prophet in Hebrew culture was to interpret the words or will of their god to the people OF THEIR OWN DAY. NOT to predict the future. (That's Hollywood's idea of the role of a prophet). So you often hear fundies talking about "prophesy", and how various prophesies were a 'foretelling", or prediction of the future, and indeed they count them up as "proof" that Jesus or whatever HAS to be true, as the "prophecy" came true. 
In fact Leviticus forbade fortune telling and divination, so we know it was an abomination to even think in these terms for many/most centuries in Hebrew culture. However, with the rise of Apocalypticism, around the turn of the millennium, this changed somewhat, and is evidenced in many Christian writings, including the gospels, as they adopted the notions absent in ancient Israel, but coming into popular view with the Essenes. In terms of Hebrew culture, and the "telling of or prediction of" the future, was unknown, and forbidden, and not at ALL a view of the major prophets themselves. However in the the new view, certain "hidden meanings" or "pesherim" began to be looked for, in the practice of Midrash. The name for this is called "pesher", (or seeking a "hidden meaning"), which was not even known to the original speaker/writer, but only "revealed" later to certain believers.

Originally, the (plural) "pesherim" were only fully revealed to the Son of Righteousness, (the leader of the Essenes), and the idea was first found and fully understood after scholars read the Dead Sea scrolls, and was a sub category of "Midrash", (or study of the texts). 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesher
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...15650.html

Thus we see that "prophesy" as fortune telling as began to be practiced in Judaism around the First Century, (and picked up by Christians and the gospel writers), really was a very late invention and never a classical part of Hebrew scripture, or understanding, either interpretation, or intention, and certainly was not the function of the ancient office of "prophet", in Hebrew culture, who was to be a "mouthpiece" to the people of their own day, and not Madame Zelda with her crystal ball.

A good example is the misinterpretation of the Virgin Birth.
The so-called "virgin birth" is one of the PRIME examples where there is development of an off-the-wall notion, based on a translation, of a MIS-translation, of a translation, which is then taken out of context, and solidified as doctrine, and driven over the cliff. 

To wit :
a. Background :
Isaiah 7 talks about the history of King Ahaz, son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, who was king of Judah. At the time, King Rezin of Aram and Pekah, son of Remaliah, King of Israel, marched up to fight against Jerusalem, and the campaign was long and protracted. See the Syro-Ephraimite War, (Wikipedia :  ), and it happened in the 8th Century (734) BC. When Ahaz was loosing faith, Isaiah went to visit him, and told him to "buck up", keep the faith, and continue the war, and told him that the SIGN from god, that they were favored, was that one of his wives, (a "woman of marriageable age") would be found to be with child. The SIGN was the CHILD, (and NOT the manner of the birth). ...."And they shall name him Emmanuel" which means "god is with us". The CHILD was the SIGN. It was about the ancient time being discussed. It had NOTHING AT ALL to do with a future Jesus, as do ALL the purported "prophesies" EVER mentioned with respect to Jesus. First it's a totally ignorant view of what prophesy was, and second, IF it predicted anything at all, it was advice, (as in brush you teeth, or you will get cavities) ... THAT sort of ethical advice. It was NOT prediction of the future. This ignorant "miss" is one of THE greatest hallmarks of Fundamentalism, which every literate scholar of the Bible knows is wrong.

Any devout Jew in the time of the Roman occupation, (around 60 AD), would know that story, from Isaiah, and when they heard the words "a woman, (of marriageable age) will be found to be with child" they would connect the stories in their brains, and recognize that the gospel text's intention was to remind them of the Isaiah story, and would "harken" back to it, and realize the intent of the author was to claim that THIS child also was a sign, (BUT NOT the intent of the original text AT ALL.) The general intent of the Gospel of Matthew was to claim the fulfillment of the various prophesies regarding the messiah, and this one was another one of those claims/stories of fulfillment. But it was only in the context of the CHANGED understanding of the new interpretations.

b. The word "virgin" is a mistranslation, of a translation. So WE have a translation, of a mis-translation, of a translation. Matthew, writing in Greek about the "virgin birth" of Jesus, quotes the Septuagint text of Isaiah 7:14-16, which uses the Greek word "παρθένος" (parthenos,), (we still use the term "parthenogenesis") while the original Hebrew text has "עלמה" (almah), which has the slightly wider meaning of an unmarried, betrothed，or newly wed woman such as in the case of Ahaz' betrothed Abijah, daughter of Zechariah. He NEVER meant to imply that he was asserting "gynecological" claims, and THAT whole business was "off-the-wall", a mistranslation, taken to ridiculous extremes, by interpreters who missed the point. THE CHILD was the sign. And the original text was about a condition of war and a child which was to be a sign.

Also interesting that Matthew (1:25) only says that Joseph "knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son". It does NOT say she REMAINED a virgin. (??)
In fact, it implies that she and Joseph had a normal married life.

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(March 29, 2019 at 7:50 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

Quote:CDF00
He took the wrath for our sins.

Quote:He took his own wrath? 

"He took his own wrath" ..... LMAO. That's the best one this week.
He was also "subject" to a larger reality, (and not its creator) if he couldn't just say "I forgive you".

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am not arrogant.  I am just pointing out the obvious that there is information in DNA that is both complex and functional. 

With you so far.

(March 28, 2019 at 11:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: That definitely proves someone wrote the complex and functional code.

It does not. For the reasons that you have been told about time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.