Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 2, 2026, 12:57 pm
Atheist Forums › Community › Religion › Christianity v
Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
Drich Offline
I'm the one who knocks
Religious Views: Bible based Christian
Posts: 13392
Threads: 187
Joined: March 18, 2012
Reputation: 48
#41
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 2, 2019 at 11:58 am
(March 28, 2019 at 9:13 am)Jehanne Wrote: It is, like Q, one of the earliest historical sources on the historical Jesus, with, of course, Matthew & Luke copying from Mark, adding their own source material (along with that of Q), and with the Gospel of John being a largely unhistorical narrative of Jesus (such as the Thursday crucifixion); but, if Mark himself embellished his source material, how can historians hope to reconstruct the historical Jesus?

citation please
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 69269
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 161
#42
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 2, 2019 at 12:50 pm
(April 1, 2019 at 8:23 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: Two source hypothesis
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
Jehanne Away
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: n/a
Posts: 7259
Threads: 506
Joined: December 12, 2015
Reputation: 22
#43
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 2, 2019 at 9:58 pm
Find
Reply
Drich Offline
I'm the one who knocks
Religious Views: Bible based Christian
Posts: 13392
Threads: 187
Joined: March 18, 2012
Reputation: 48
#44
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 3, 2019 at 12:34 pm
(April 2, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(April 1, 2019 at 8:23 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: Two source hypothesis

and what of the 
The Farrer-Goulder Hypothesis
[i]The Griesbach-Farmer Hypothesis[/i]
[i]or the more likly[/i]
[i][i]The Augustinian-Butler Hypothesis?[/i][/i]
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 69269
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 161
#45
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 3, 2019 at 12:44 pm
What about them?  You asked for sources, you got what you asked for.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
Drich Offline
I'm the one who knocks
Religious Views: Bible based Christian
Posts: 13392
Threads: 187
Joined: March 18, 2012
Reputation: 48
#46
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 3, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 69269
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 161
#47
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 3, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Gee, a christian doesn't actually like the consensus of scholars after all.  How unexpected.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
Drich Offline
I'm the one who knocks
Religious Views: Bible based Christian
Posts: 13392
Threads: 187
Joined: March 18, 2012
Reputation: 48
#48
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 3, 2019 at 12:45 pm (This post was last modified: April 3, 2019 at 12:49 pm by Drich.)
(April 3, 2019 at 12:44 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: What about them?  You asked for sources, you got what you asked for.

those other theories stack evidence against your posted theory. two of which are far more plausible. it seems you just cherry picked the most atheistic frendly theory and posted it with out any through to the biblical content you are pretending to discuss.
(April 3, 2019 at 12:44 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Gee, a christian doesn't actually like the consensus of scholars after all.  How unexpected.

retard, there are 4 different theories these same scholars compiled/recognise. not just the one you posted that is why I gave you the other three. there are 4 possible innerations on how the gospels where compiled one not having favor on the other three. the compilation based on popular vote puts markian authorship first, most agree content says otherwise.
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 69269
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 161
#49
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 3, 2019 at 12:49 pm (This post was last modified: April 3, 2019 at 12:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I don't have to repeat the line "the consensus of scholars" in these convos, so it's not all that worrisome to me.  If you don't actually agree with the consensus of scholars, then I suppose we can just remind you of that everytime you repeat the mantra, right?

I don't know what to tell you, as far as the historicity of christ is concerned, all of the potential historical jesus are "atheistic".

None of them posit, real godman, really true..because then the "history" game would be up, huh? Similarly, none of them certify the sectarian claims to timelines and composition..because, here again the "history" game would be up. Regardless of whichever historical jesus was the real jesus, if any, the composition of the thing you think is a magic book just doesn't have the past that your faith demands it must.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
popeyespappy Offline Donators
some kind of demographic homunculus
*****
Religious Views: n/a
Posts: 2889
Threads: 133
Joined: May 8, 2011
Reputation: 31
#50
RE: Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.
April 3, 2019 at 2:26 pm (This post was last modified: April 3, 2019 at 2:27 pm by popeyespappy.)
Two Source

[Image: 305px-Synoptic_Theory_Mk-Q_en.svg.png]

Farrer

[Image: 305px-Synoptic_Theory_Mk-Mt_en.svg.png]

Three Source

[Image: 305px-Synoptic_Theory_Mk-Q%2BMt_en.svg.png]

Q+

[Image: 360px-Synoptic_Theory_Mk%2BQ-Mt%2BPapias_en.svg.png]

Wilke

[Image: 305px-Synoptic_Theory_Mk-Lk_en.svg.png]

Four Source

[Image: 450px-Synoptic_Theory_4SH_en.svg.png]

Griesbach

[Image: 305px-Synoptic_Theory_Mt-Lk_en.svg.png]

Augustinian

[Image: 305px-Synoptic_Theory_Mt-Mk_en.svg.png]

Jerusalem school

[Image: 473px-Synoptic_Theory_MS_en.svg.png]

Proto Gospel

[Image: 383px-Synoptic_Theory_Pt_en.svg.png]
Independent

[Image: 383px-Synoptic_Theory_In_en.svg.png]
Save a life. Adopt a greyhound.
[Image: JUkLw58.gif]
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Community › Religion › Christianity v
Embellishments in the Gospel of Mark.

Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Gospel of John controversy Jillybean 13 5247 June 12, 2024 at 10:54 pm
Last Post: Prycejosh1987
  Mark's Gospel was damaged and reassembled incorrectly SeniorCitizen 1 1185 November 19, 2023 at 5:48 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  How can you prove that the gospel of Mark is not the "word of god"? Lincoln05 100 29526 October 16, 2018 at 5:38 pm
Last Post: GrandizerII
  The Gospel of Peter versus the Gospel of Matthew. Jehanne 47 15758 July 14, 2018 at 12:22 am
Last Post: Godscreated
  The Anonymous Gospel Manuscripts athrock 127 48644 February 9, 2016 at 1:46 am
Last Post: Minimalist
  Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles = Satanic Gospel Metis 14 7316 July 17, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Last Post: dyresand
  Why do gospel contradictions matter? taylor93112 87 34886 April 28, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Last Post: Desert Diva
  The infancy gospel of thomas dyresand 18 11804 December 29, 2014 at 10:35 am
Last Post: dyresand
  "Gospel Quest" (or The Jesus Timeline) DeistPaladin 93 33756 August 11, 2014 at 5:40 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Can christians here explain Mark 5:2-13? Brakeman 38 17253 December 25, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Last Post: Chad32



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)