(April 6, 2019 at 7:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No one has yet been able to adequately explain to me why I should acquire an artistic taste that I don't already have.

Boru

Here's an analogy: 

If someone said to me, "I like the neighborhood where I live; I never need to see another one," that would be fine. It's not like he's evil or anything. 

But I'm glad I've seen Coyoacan and Venice, and I hope to see Istanbul one day. 

These are different experiences that add to our enjoyment. But if you don't enjoy them, then don't do it.

Quote:Anime: Not art

On this were going to have to thoroughly disagree 

Princess Mononoke 
Spirted Away 
Graveyard of the fireflies 
Castle in the sky 

Are all works of art

(April 6, 2019 at 7:48 pm)Thoreauvian Wrote:

(April 6, 2019 at 7:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No one has yet been able to adequately explain to me why I should acquire an artistic taste that I don't already have.

Boru

It's similar to music.  Some people enjoy the same genre of music their whole lives, or perhaps just a few different genres.  Others explore a range of aesthetic experiences available from music.

But no, there is no compelling reason, except perhaps to better understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people.

That's not the same as acquiring a new artistic taste, though.

And I really don't need to understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people. 

Boru

(April 6, 2019 at 8:18 pm)Belaqua Wrote:

(April 6, 2019 at 7:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No one has yet been able to adequately explain to me why I should acquire an artistic taste that I don't already have.

Boru

Here's an analogy: 

If someone said to me, "I like the neighborhood where I live; I never need to see another one," that would be fine. It's not like he's evil or anything. 

But I'm glad I've seen Coyoacan and Venice, and I hope to see Istanbul one day. 

These are different experiences that add to our enjoyment. But if you don't enjoy them, then don't do it.

Again, have experiences isn't the same as acquiring tastes.  Give you an example:  I have listened to country music.  I don't like it. THAT'S the experience.  Acquiring a taste for it would require something like listening to it until it grows on me.  Not doing that, I don't see the point.

Venice IS lovely, isn't it?  But suppose you went there and hated it - absolutely, thoroughly despised the place.  Would you keep going back until you learned to love it?

Boru

(April 6, 2019 at 9:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And I really don't need to understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people. 

Interesting verb there.

I don't think there's anything at all about art that we NEED. Art is over and above that. A grown-up's way of playing.

Work comes from need; play comes from abundance. 

"We are never more human than when we are at play."

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(April 6, 2019 at 9:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Would you keep going back until you learned to love it?

Nope. 

But I would be curious about why so many other people loved it. There might be something to it. Or, as with country music, the reason people love it might be a bad one. That would also be interesting to know. But not necessary.

(April 6, 2019 at 9:28 pm)Belaqua Wrote:

(April 6, 2019 at 9:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And I really don't need to understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people. 

Interesting verb there.

I don't think there's anything at all about art that we NEED. Art is over and above that. A grown-up's way of playing.

Work comes from need; play comes from abundance. 

"We are never more human than when we are at play."

Let's make it a noun, then:  I have no need to understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people.

I sincerely hope that helps complete your daily dose of hair-splittery.

Boru

(April 6, 2019 at 9:28 pm)Belaqua Wrote:

(April 6, 2019 at 9:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And I really don't need to understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people. 

Interesting verb there.

I don't think there's anything at all about art that we NEED. Art is over and above that. A grown-up's way of playing.

Work comes from need; play comes from abundance. 

"We are never more human than when we are at play."

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(April 6, 2019 at 9:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Would you keep going back until you learned to love it?

Nope. 

But I would be curious about why so many other people loved it. There might be something to it. Or, as with country music, the reason people love it might be a bad one. That would also be interesting to know. But not necessary.

My point exactly.

Boru

Is juggling an apple, bowling ball and chain saw art?

"Great art"? Depends largely on the person viewing it, but I think it also has to challenge our perceptions in some way. A photo-realistic work isn't necessarily great just because it displays a high level of technical skill. There has to be something else -- the perspective, the subject, the materials used -- that creates a feeling of strangeness, of seeing something new and different.

I'm primarily a fan of modern art and architecture. Favourites are M.C. Escher, Lawren Harris, Piet Mondrian, and Gustav Klimt.

(April 6, 2019 at 9:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 6, 2019 at 7:48 pm)Thoreauvian Wrote: It's similar to music.  Some people enjoy the same genre of music their whole lives, or perhaps just a few different genres.  Others explore a range of aesthetic experiences available from music.

But no, there is no compelling reason, except perhaps to better understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people.

That's not the same as acquiring a new artistic taste, though.

And I really don't need to understand the different tastes and perspectives of other people. 

Boru

I think learning to appreciate a different genre of music is the same kind of thing as learning to appreciate a new artistic style.

It's like this: Some people may think a good fish is a bad cake, but others can learn to appreciate fish for what they are.

Still, no one is forcing anyone to eat fish, and some people will never like fish regardless, just as you say.