(April 5, 2019 at 8:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Maybe that's what you think..but, again...... if we've seen the limits of your intellect.... what you think is more a tragedy than anything else.

You have not seen the limits of my intellect.  I have many interests.

At work.

Uhm.... your intelect and your hobbies are two different things, CDF47.

It's weird mix ups like that which cause doubt in my mind as to your professed level of education.

Since, I'm pretty sure, English is your first language.

Am more than happy to be completely wrong about such, however.

(April 5, 2019 at 8:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @CDF47

Your argument, bold mine:

Quote:The information in DNA is both complex and functional proving a written code. (This is a description of DNA).The genetic code was written by a Designer. (This is a claim.) Also, the universe is fine-tuned. (This is a second claim.)

My argument, bold mine:

Quote:The information in DNA is both complex and functional proving a written code. (This is a description of DNA.) The genetic code arose via natural processes. (This is a claim.) Also, the universe isn’t fine tuned. (This is a second claim.)

I’ll wait for the your “ah-ha” moment.

Those are all facts, not just claims.

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(April 5, 2019 at 9:09 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 2:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote: God knows the future.  Time is relative.  He let Adam name the animals so that is what I mean by step back and let the creation take affect.

He could not possibly know the future, if in the future he would be sorry he did something, he already knew he would be sorry about. 
Such utter nonsense you peddle.

He is all knowing.  Time is relative.  It did grieve Him that He made man.

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(April 6, 2019 at 7:37 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 9:09 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: He could not possibly know the future, if in the future he would be sorry he did something, he already knew he would be sorry about. 
Such utter nonsense you peddle.

God knowing the future is not the god described in the bible so I wonder what god CD is talking about.

The god of the bible makes many mistakes and has rather limited powers. (judges 1:19 for example)

He didn't work a miracle for their victory is all.   They came up against a stronger enemy the Lord allowed in power.

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(April 6, 2019 at 1:00 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 2:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote: [quote pid='1897533' dateline='1554385372']

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(April 4, 2019 at 10:32 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:
Oh, really?! Prove it!

Incidentally, the Christian God can be rationally proven to be non-existent.

No, He can't

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The Christian God is defined by mainstream Christianity as being all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful, and all just. Yet even a cursory reading of the bible reveals a God who is cruel, unjust, tyrannical, unloving and eternally vengeful. Ergo, the Christian God does not exist by reason of self-contradiction.

An all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing God, by definition, cannot create evil or permit evil to exist in the world. And yet, evil exists. Ergo, God, as he is defined, does not exist on the grounds of self-contradiction.

Rebuttal?

We're still waiting for you to post proof that God exists. Everything that you've posted, so far, has been handily, rationally and factually refuted. You're really not very good at this.
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You define Him as those things.  He hates evil and combats evil in the Bible.  He allows evil to exist though and serve it's purpose of testing His creation.  

I posted proof in DNA and the fine-tuned universe.

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(April 6, 2019 at 6:52 pm)Nomad Wrote:

(April 4, 2019 at 9:28 am)CDF47 Wrote: That's not how my argument goes at all.

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No, He is Creator of the universe.

I see you're no longer replying to my posts, Liar.  No doubt because you've no answer to them.

What specifically do you want me to respond to.  I am still responding to your messages and I am not a liar.

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(April 7, 2019 at 12:51 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Uhm.... your intelect and your hobbies are two different things, CDF47.

It's weird mix ups like that which cause doubt in my mind as to your professed level of education.

Since, I'm pretty sure, English is your first language.
 
Am more than happy to be completely wrong about such, however.

I obviously meant I have many interests that I know a lot about.  Discussing creation is just the most important of them all.

At work.

Indeed CDF47. But getting your hobbies mixed up with people questioning your ability to think is the weirdness in your reply.

I've got hobbies too. But I make no pretentions in regwrds to my extremly mundane level of education.

Hence why when most creationists give their, effectivly, pre-school level of 'Rebuttals' towards the subject of evolution which has been continuously studied for, what, a century and a half?

On top of which creationists still have nothing with 'Predictive' qualities unlike how evolution meshes seemlesly with Geology/Paleontology/etc with finds such as Ticktalic as an exqmple.

(April 7, 2019 at 12:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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[quote='downbeatplumb' pid='1898130' dateline='1554550642']

God knowing the future is not the god described in the bible so I wonder what god CD is talking about.

The god of the bible makes many mistakes and has rather limited powers. (judges 1:19 for example)

(April 7, 2019 at 12:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote: He didn't work a miracle for their victory is all.   They came up against a stronger enemy the Lord allowed in power.

That's not what the bible says.

"And the Lord was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron."

Oh and god could not predict the outcome of a wrestling match that HE was in. In fact he had to cheat to win.

Genesis 32:22

Quote:That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”
But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”
27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”
“Jacob,” he answered.
28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”
29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”
But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

There are some more on this page where god was surprised by stuff. Or needed to discover the truth.

https://thechurchoftruth.org/god-is-not-...of-babble/

(April 7, 2019 at 1:09 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Indeed CDF47.  But getting your hobbies mixed up with people questioning your ability to think is the weirdness in your reply.

I've got hobbies too. But I make no pretentions in regwrds to my extremly mundane level of education.

Hence why when most creationists give their, effectivly, pre-school level of 'Rebuttals' towards the subject of evolution which has been continuously studied for,  what, a century and a half?

On top of which creationists still have nothing with 'Predictive' qualities unlike how evolution meshes seemlesly with Geology/Paleontology/etc with finds such as Ticktalic as an exqmple.

I wasn't just talking about hobbies.  I was talking about everything including science, engineering, and mathematics.  

Creationists predicted that the junk DNA was not actually junk and they were right, it acts like an operating system.

At work.

Uhm... no, that's also not quite true about the whole 'Junk DNA' thing.

However I'm in no way any kind of knowing the finer 'Nuts and bolts' of the issue other than it seems to be a misquoting or representation of what the term actually is and pertains too.

Also, nice side step of Ticktalic there CDF47.

The possible discovery of a pristine site containg specific fossilization of the KT boundry event is another amazing find.

The list goes on.

Want to try your hand at throwing stones at phylogeny? That's a study that's been around even longer than evolution.

All the best mate.

(April 7, 2019 at 1:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 7, 2019 at 1:09 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Indeed CDF47.  But getting your hobbies mixed up with people questioning your ability to think is the weirdness in your reply.

I've got hobbies too. But I make no pretentions in regwrds to my extremly mundane level of education.

Hence why when most creationists give their, effectivly, pre-school level of 'Rebuttals' towards the subject of evolution which has been continuously studied for,  what, a century and a half?

On top of which creationists still have nothing with 'Predictive' qualities unlike how evolution meshes seemlesly with Geology/Paleontology/etc with finds such as Ticktalic as an exqmple.

I wasn't just talking about hobbies.  I was talking about everything including science, engineering, and mathematics.  

Creationists predicted that the junk DNA was not actually junk and they were right, it acts like an operating system.

And do you know what that doesn't do?

Prove creationism.

The definition of junk DNA was that it had no discernable function and indeed there have been many tests carried out on these areas that show that most of those can be disregarded or indeed inserted elsewhere in the genome with no effect.

Some do have an effect and so the classification could change BUT even if all the DNA was functional it would not be evidence for a designer, it would just mean that understanding of DNA would have to change a bit.

(April 7, 2019 at 12:47 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 8:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Maybe that's what you think..but, again...... if we've seen the limits of your intellect.... what you think is more a tragedy than anything else.

You have not seen the limits of my intellect.  I have many interests.

What limits? You'd be beat out in an intelligence contest by a goldfish, a dead one.

(April 7, 2019 at 12:47 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 8:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Maybe that's what you think..but, again...... if we've seen the limits of your intellect.... what you think is more a tragedy than anything else.

You have not seen the limits of my intellect.  I have many interests.

-but isn't that exactly what I asked you?  Whether this particular thread expressed the limits if your intellect, and..if not...what it would look like if you stepped back took the time and showed us that.

You decided that it did, like a fuckin idiot.

OFC I'm going to conclude that you're an idiot.