(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(April 10, 2019 at 4:59 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: If your god could destroy evil today but refuses to do so, then he/she/it/housecat is evil.

Give an example of such an undesigned thing.

God uses sin/evil in a sinless way.  God is perfectly holy and He combats evil and will destroy it in hell.

Everything in this universe is designed I believe although He allows degrees of randomness.

That still makes your god evil. If he combats evil, why has he not won? Either he can't or he won't.

If everything is designed then you have no basis whatsoever to identify what is or is not designed. Your crackpot idea is therefore useless.

Oh and you lied about mtEve over and over and over again.

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: Succubus
Was it his bravery that  led him to admit this, or was it the fact that he was three cornered and there was nothing else he could say?

Quote:There are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred.

Michael Behe: October 18 2005

So there you have it; straight from the lying bastards own mouth.
"We have nothing to backup our claims".

It's a pity you don't have the same respect for the American judicial system.

John E Jones December 20, 2005

Quote:For the reasons that follow, we conclude that the religious nature of ID [intelligent design] would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child.

I will give you this; you're not as long-winded as the performance artist in the other thread.

Praise be.

Quote:Based on videos I saw with him and his body language and tone, he is definitely behind his own claims.  

What videos? The trial wasn't televised.

Quote:Provide the rest of the paragraph of that quote from Behe.  I would guess something is out of context.

That is the paragraph, from the trial. Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District

(April 11, 2019 at 4:40 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, it is a fact that the information bearing properties in DNA prove the existence of a designer like I said in the OP.  I post many of my own beliefs and opinions in this thread as does everyone else.  It is a web forum, we all do that.

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Information bearing properties in DNA do not prove the existence of a designer despite what you "believe" and we have gone into why over and over again. 
So you post opinions and call them fact, like I said.

To be clear. It is ok to state your opinions, but they need supporting by evidence and as the preceding pages prove, you don't have any.

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: The universe is designed perfectly for life to exist.  If any of 30 or so constants were changed, some by unimaginably small amounts of change, then life would not exist.  DNA is then further fine-tuned to the extent that it contains functional genetic digital information.

How could you possibly know if life could exist if the universe were changed or different, changed to what ? How can you rule out other forms of life ? Either way it still assumes that life as we see it is the only form of life that could exist and is based on the assumption that it is special in some way. You still have to prove that DNA in some way is fine tuned (as opposed to evolved) despite a rather lengthy thread you have fallen way short of that.

Quote:This is a fallen broken world which is why there is evil, calamity, disease,...  It is due to man's first sin and every sin since in thought, word, and action.

Firstly apart from your silly book and your indoctrination you have no reason to believe that, there is no evidence that that is the case at all. Secondly That does not answer my question, a universe fine tuned for disease under your rules is the only way deadly and harming bacteria could exist, so your god must have fine tuned bacteria for disease and harm, in other words taking an active role in human misery.

Sin (against a deity) are made up things that people used to explain why a god would do such things to the gullible , that you believe it in this day and age though is rather silly given that humans with their science are tackling these diseases, are they overcoming the effects of sin ?

Now that I'm in the medical field, I keep seeing the OP's name as C-Diff.

(April 11, 2019 at 9:00 am)possibletarian Wrote: Sin (against a deity) are made up things that people used to explain why a god would do such things to the gullible  , that you believe it in this day and age though is rather silly given that humans with their science are tackling these diseases, are they overcoming the effects of sin ?

We overcame the effects of "sin" seen as gods action taken a loooong time ago.  God cursed adam to be a farmer and eve to horrific childbirth.  Not a whole lot of farmers these days, and horrific childbirth is the exception to the norm.  

Gods bad at curses. IDK why we'd expect him to be any better at them, though, given the state of his "designs". Poor fucker can't get anything right, according to magic book. If you step back to appreciate the narrative, the god these imbeciles worship is a pretty tragic figure.

(April 11, 2019 at 5:14 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: God uses sin/evil in a sinless way.  God is perfectly holy and He combats evil and will destroy it in hell.

Everything in this universe is designed I believe although He allows degrees of randomness.

That still makes your god evil. If he combats evil, why has he not won? Either he can't or he won't.

If everything is designed then you have no basis whatsoever to identify what is or is not designed. Your crackpot idea is therefore useless.

Oh and you lied about mtEve over and over and over again.

God is good and righteous and just and holy.  He hates and combats evil and will destroy it in hell.  

I told you what is designed numerous times.  DNA is clearly designed since it is both very extremely complex and functional and the universe is fine-tuned.  There are other reasons but these are critical.

I was not lying.  I still believe what I said was true.  Provide a direct quote of a post where I lied.

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(April 11, 2019 at 6:16 am)Succubus Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: Succubus
Was it his bravery that  led him to admit this, or was it the fact that he was three cornered and there was nothing else he could say?


Michael Behe: October 18 2005

So there you have it; straight from the lying bastards own mouth.
"We have nothing to backup our claims".

It's a pity you don't have the same respect for the American judicial system.

John E Jones December 20, 2005



I will give you this; you're not as long-winded as the performance artist in the other thread.

Praise be.

Quote:Based on videos I saw with him and his body language and tone, he is definitely behind his own claims.  

What videos? The trial wasn't televised.

Quote:Provide the rest of the paragraph of that quote from Behe.  I would guess something is out of context.

That is the paragraph, from the trial. Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District

In videos of him that I watch.  

That Wiki article is propaganda.

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(April 11, 2019 at 6:25 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 4:40 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, it is a fact that the information bearing properties in DNA prove the existence of a designer like I said in the OP.  I post many of my own beliefs and opinions in this thread as does everyone else.  It is a web forum, we all do that.

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Information bearing properties in DNA do not prove the existence of a designer despite what you "believe" and we have gone into why over and over again. 
So you post opinions and call them fact, like I said.

To be clear. It is ok to state your opinions, but they need supporting by evidence and as the preceding pages prove, you don't have any.

I provided more than evidence.  I provided proof.  There is no way the genetic code wrote itself.

Did a more smug arsehole ever tread the interwebz.

(April 11, 2019 at 9:00 am)possibletarian Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 1:11 am)CDF47 Wrote: The universe is designed perfectly for life to exist.  If any of 30 or so constants were changed, some by unimaginably small amounts of change, then life would not exist.  DNA is then further fine-tuned to the extent that it contains functional genetic digital information.

How could you possibly know if life could exist if the universe were changed or different, changed to what ?  How can you rule out other forms of life ?  Either way it still assumes that life as we see it is the only form of life that could exist and is based on the assumption that it is special in some way.  You still have to prove that DNA in some way is fine tuned (as opposed to evolved) despite a rather lengthy thread you have fallen way short of that.

Quote:This is a fallen broken world which is why there is evil, calamity, disease,...  It is due to man's first sin and every sin since in thought, word, and action.

Firstly apart from your silly book and your indoctrination you have no reason to believe that, there is no evidence that that is the case at all.  Secondly That does not answer my question, a universe fine tuned for disease under your rules is the only way deadly and harming bacteria could exist, so your god must have fine tuned bacteria for disease and harm, in other words taking an active role in human misery.

Sin (against a deity) are made up things that people used to explain why a god would do such things to the gullible  , that you believe it in this day and age though is rather silly given that humans with their science are tackling these diseases, are they overcoming the effects of sin ?

They can only correct those diseases because the Lord designed them with a mind capable of correcting such a thing.  It is not just overcoming the effects of sin, the Lord is allowing that to happen.  In this fallen world there are probably many side affects with the cures they come up for these diseases you discuss.  Which diseases are you referring to by the way?

Side effects are god re-cursing us.   Oh how great though art, lol

You're here as an evangelist, not to have any discussion on genetics or science. As an evangelist, do you ever reach a point where you realize that you're doing more harm than good?

Where the thing between some person and your god...is you?