In a sane world, effective gun regulation isn't a right or left issue. This is not a sane world, gun regs are a wedge.

The whole game is pretty clever.  You find or create some issue that can yield predictable election outcomes. You then sell access and influence to those predictable outcomes, the one thing no politician can pass up.  So long as people on either side of the wedge are pointing and firing at someone else...the right side thinks it's soshulizms, the left side thinks it's gun makin profitz...you get to keep the pieces in play without interference from either.

The right will respond with increasingly silly shit, the left will up the ante with their own stupid shit, rinse and repeat. The cumulative effect of all this stupid shit only strengthens the value of the wedge.

(April 11, 2019 at 12:07 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: In a sane world, effective gun regulation isn't a right or left issue. This is not a sane world, gun regs are a wedge.

The whole game is pretty clever.  You find or create some issue that can yield predictable election outcomes. You then sell access and influence to those predictable outcomes, the one thing no politician can pass up.  So long as people on either side of the wedge are pointing and firing at someone else...the right side thinks it's soshulizms, the left side thinks it's gun makin profitz...you get to keep the pieces in play without interference from either.

The right will respond with increasingly silly shit, the left will up the ante with their own stupid shit, rinse and repeat.  The cumulative effect of all this stupid shit only strengthens the value of the wedge.

"Silly shit"? Oh no, and not just on firearms, and not just with America. Our species in general really really hates social norms getting upset. Our species has a horrible tendency to fear change when that majority, of any given society gets challenged. We have a horrible tendency to allow ourselves to be lead by fear. 

It isn't just guns, and it isn't just America, and it isn't just this century. Conservatism, is worldwide to greater or lesser degrees. It is easier to gain support in any given society in human history, by selling division and fear. It is much harder, although it can and does happen, to create progress by challenging social norms.

The majority of americans are in favor of stricter regulations...the majority of NRA members....are in favor of stricter regulation. The right and the left are getting played, together, on this one. There's a third man on the board, and that player is letting the other two gut each other because it's in their best interests that they do so.

(April 11, 2019 at 12:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The majority of americans are in favor of stricter regulations...the majority of NRA members....are in favor of stricter regulation.  The right and the left are getting played, together, on this one.  There's a third man on the board, and that player is letting the other two gut each other because it's in their best interests that they do so.

I hear that bantied around that " majorities are in favor of stricter regulation" -

But -

Nobody ever defines what that stricter regulation is - or who voted for it....

It sounds to me like the term " family values" - it SOUNDS good - but in truth is undefined and ultimately meaningless.

(April 11, 2019 at 12:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The majority of americans are in favor of stricter regulations...the majority of NRA members....are in favor of stricter regulation.  The right and the left are getting played, together, on this one.  There's a third man on the board, and that player is letting the other two gut each other because it's in their best interests that they do so.

That is the part that kills me. Even most firearm owners are on the right side of history. But just like gerrymandering, get a good shell game going, you can protect special interests. 

All you need to do to protect profits, is to divide classes, and races and zip codes.

I considered adding comments...but I don't think that I could really add anything to my comments that isn't better expressed by both of your responses right alongside each other.

(April 11, 2019 at 2:12 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I considered adding comments...but I don't think that I could really add anything to my comments that isn't better expressed by both of your responses right alongside each other.

Good young Skywalker, soon you will join the Dark Side of sanity. Why the fuck not, we have cookies?

(April 11, 2019 at 10:39 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 11, 2019 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: and what are you for have such a closed mind that you are not willing to consider the mental health and well being of the boys? it is obvious no consideration was given to the boys mental health nor the g-mas mental health, which is why we got the result we got. So what kind of person are you that has the thought process that puts broken kids with a broken grandmother which results in a double murder and a attempted suicide.

What tiny minds like your fail to understand the big picture, is if you can identify the children as being a trigger that forces scrutiny, which does not blame but demands the proper attention. because chances are if mom and g-ma was so mentally unstable as to murder/suicide then the two little 'angels' have it in them as well.

Way to back peddle on your horrible assertion. If you’re going to be an insufferable cunt, at least stay consistent, will you?

(April 10, 2019 at 8:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Ya know...I used to think that Drich was a troll, but over the years I’ve come to think that he really believes the horrific shit he spews. I hope, for his family’s sake, that I’m wrong.

Quote:Your crazy left socialist left BS in a SOCIETY balances out my Right (not the direction but being correct) views, and this evil fence sitting middle ground is formed. which is far batter than fight it out in a war because, in this case the word children is sacred and can not be questioned.

Oh, shut up Drich. Go blame some more children for horrific things they couldn’t possibly be responsible before.

I am consistent look at every instance where I elaborate and defend my point. 

I simply made an open statement allowing each of you according to your own character fill in the blank so to speak meaning to fill in the narrative for yourself. For example you want to see the worst in me so you assigned me the worst possible interpretation. Other options would have been to react as your peers have. asking question as to what I meant or to defend how it is i saw to blame them... when I revealed my meaning they for the most part understood and took my word.

You however got the same explanation and rather accepted it as my intention, still wanted me to be evil in your eyes so you can maintain your current level of self righteousness and pop moral superiority. (that makes you the monster sport) not me. You would rather wrongfully hate someone rather than admit you have jumped the gun yet again. Your logic: hang a shifty looking innocent man, and let a smooth talking guilty man go free. yet you claim I am an amonimation?

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(April 11, 2019 at 12:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The majority of americans are in favor of stricter regulations...the majority of NRA members....are in favor of stricter regulation.  The right and the left are getting played, together, on this one.  There's a third man on the board, and that player is letting the other two gut each other because it's in their best interests that they do so.

no we don't or we'd have them.

people in cities want stricter regulations (meaning the coasts) everyone else wants to be left alone.

As ever, we appreciate your brilliant understanding and unimpeachable logic.

(April 11, 2019 at 3:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: As ever, we appreciate your brilliant understanding and unimpeachable logic.

Look man, we are outnumbered.

We have to accept we live in their John Wayne, Dirty Harry world. 

More guns and more violence brings more peace.