(May 7, 2019 at 12:16 pm)Drich Wrote: here in american wearing pants we can do both and no one would ever question that. however if you went to the middle east and it is their culture still that a woman can not wear pants, it would be hard to say you love your neighbor with your dockers on, with full access to atire they would not question your motives in wearing.

Well then. As a man that needs women to work with, i fantasize about tou telling them that.

(May 7, 2019 at 4:56 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(May 7, 2019 at 2:43 pm)Losty Wrote: Or rather, I should say you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Drich's point is that believers are essentially awarded a Get Out of Jail Free card and are not required to adhere to the letter of the law in order to receive their Special Prize. The purpose of the law is/was to demonstrate to dirty-birdie humans that they are losers who are incapable of living up the Yaweh's standards...and thus, why folks need JC to step in.

Accept JC's offer, and you can do whatever you like. 
It's all good; You're covered. 

More or less. 

Lol.

glob..

How did I miss this hot mess?

So no.. We as Christian are not judge by a moral code.

When ask Jesus said there are only two rules one needs to follow under him.

1) love the lord your God with all of your being (heart mind Spirit and strength)/All aspects in which you can love God is to receive love first.

2) love your neighbor as yourself.

Under just these two rule according to the teaching of christ himself The whole law is made complete. meaning if you follow these two rules the whole more law of the bible has been satisfied. Hence we as followers of Christ as per the bible states, are not judged by a moral code but by the attonement Christ offers us via the love we share. Our ablity to love and forgive is extended back to us in the way of forgivness of our sins.

Nothing I said here is new. this mantra has been repeated for thousands of years. it's in these last few generations we forgot it's meaning.

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(May 8, 2019 at 2:07 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(May 8, 2019 at 1:31 pm)Drich Wrote:

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no you shared with me in PM a while back..

Lol...Does the quoted text look familiar? It should.
It's from your signature.

*highlighted for emphasis.

Quote:That doesn't mean question just the questionable, it also means that we should question the foundational. If you have a biblically based question you'd rather not openly discuss i am happy to receive any PM's discretely, or Email [email protected]

Sorry I haven't seen my signature since i wrote it what.. 8 years ago? If it makes anyone feel any better I don't think there is a long term member on this board who hasn't PMed me asking me one thing or another. (you are all in the same boat) Either Way here I do know what I am talking about and I wrote what I did knowing what I know and also knew it would not be accepted and why. which is also why I emphasized what replaces the moral code in Christianity. "Love" which can be used as a filter to show that a given circumstance can not pass or pretend to be christianity as the bible outlines it.

or as much as you all change your names I could have two people's stories completely confused in which case none of this really matters anyway.

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(May 8, 2019 at 2:48 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(May 8, 2019 at 1:31 pm)Drich Wrote: So you are not an atheist?

To die is to not exist.

Atheist do not believe in God...

So is it a stretch to say Atheist kill the idea of God?

What? Yes, that is a stretch. You can only die if you exist. If you don't exist you can't die. To die is to exist and then stop existing. Also, not believing in an idea doesn't kill the idea. If you were trying to reference Nietzsche then I think you have a very poor understanding of what he meant when he wrote that.

Glob...

So when Nietzsche says it and references the idea of a global 'enlightenment' brought on by 'science and strong philosophy' rising to prominence in the world replacing the church and it's archaic understanding of the world and how it works and how we will move on.. Is par for thecourse for someone like you when they say God is dead...

-However-

When I the representative of the church in this discussion use the phrase, It can not be to reference 19th century philosophers 'stone' as it where, let alone use it in a discussion to partially describe someone's stated reasons for abandoning belief?

Why?

Because My use of a 200 year old quote goes against christian stereotypes?


Riddle me this sport. If I was not saying God was 'killed' by a secular enlightenment why would I have referenced a move who's title and main antagonist takes Nietzsche  primary philosphy and address it point by point? why would I have asked when confronted by the OP "I don't think God is dead" with questions concerning/verifying her atheism?

Maybe it is you who is short sighted and can not see the parallels I made, perhaps that might change if and when you become more familiar with nietzsche's work. even if only via a cheeze kevin sorbo movie

(May 9, 2019 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 7, 2019 at 4:56 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Drich's point is that believers are essentially awarded a Get Out of Jail Free card and are not required to adhere to the letter of the law in order to receive their Special Prize. The purpose of the law is/was to demonstrate to dirty-birdie humans that they are losers who are incapable of living up the Yaweh's standards...and thus, why folks need JC to step in.

Accept JC's offer, and you can do whatever you like. 
It's all good; You're covered. 

More or less. 

Lol.

glob..

How did I miss this hot mess?

So no.. We as Christian are not judge by a moral code.

When ask Jesus said there are only two rules one needs to follow under him.

1) love the lord your God with all of your being (heart mind Spirit and strength)/All aspects in which you can love God is to receive love first.

2) love your neighbor as yourself.

Under just these two rule according to the teaching of christ himself The whole law is made complete. meaning if you follow these two rules the whole more law of the bible has been satisfied. Hence we as followers of Christ as per the bible states, are not judged by a moral code but by the attonement Christ offers us via the love we share. Our ablity to love and forgive is extended back to us in the way of forgivness of our sins.

Nothing I said here is new. this mantra has been repeated for thousands of years. it's in these last few generations we forgot it's meaning.

You're falling off, Drich. First of all, you in fact DID already respond to that hot mess of mine.
Lol, you just don't remember. See post #47.

More importantly, that hot mess of mine is indeed very much in line with your statement above (highlighted by me, for emphasis).
I just didn't state it with all of the extra sexiness that you prefer to.

Yea Drich, you feel free to forward me a PM where I ever said I thought god was dead. 🙄

(May 9, 2019 at 12:18 pm)Losty Wrote: Yea Drich, you feel free to forward me a PM where I ever said I thought god was dead. 🙄

Are you an atheist?

(May 9, 2019 at 12:21 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 9, 2019 at 12:18 pm)Losty Wrote: Yea Drich, you feel free to forward me a PM where I ever said I thought god was dead. 🙄

Are you an atheist?

I do not believe that god is dead.

(May 9, 2019 at 10:07 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 8, 2019 at 2:48 pm)Aegon Wrote: What? Yes, that is a stretch. You can only die if you exist. If you don't exist you can't die. To die is to exist and then stop existing. Also, not believing in an idea doesn't kill the idea. If you were trying to reference Nietzsche then I think you have a very poor understanding of what he meant when he wrote that.

Glob...

So when Nietzsche says it and references the idea of a global 'enlightenment' brought on by 'science and strong philosophy' rising to prominence in the world replacing the church and it's archaic understanding of the world and how it works and how we will move on.. Is par for the course for someone like you when they say God is dead...

Why do you keep accusing atheists of agreeing with the statement "God is dead" or touting it themselves? I don't necessarily agree with him on his point, as he was very fearful of what may replace God as a stabilizing force in our society... I personally agree with parts of his argument and disagree with others...

Quote:-However-

When I the representative of the church in this discussion use the phrase, It can not be to reference 19th century philosophers 'stone' as it where, let alone use it in a discussion to partially describe someone's stated reasons for abandoning belief?

Why?

Because My use of a 200 year old quote goes against christian stereotypes?

No dude lmao. That's not why. I don't care about Christian stereotypes. I'm focused on your words and reasoning, not you personally.

Quote:Riddle me this sport. If I was not saying God was 'killed' by a secular enlightenment why would I have referenced a move who's title and main antagonist takes Nietzsche  primary philosphy and address it point by point? why would I have asked when confronted by the OP "I don't think God is dead" with questions concerning/verifying her atheism?

Is English your first language?

Quote:Maybe it is you who is short sighted and can not see the parallels I made, perhaps that might change if and when you become more familiar with nietzsche's work. even if only via a cheeze kevin sorbo movie

Man if your knowledge of an intense work of philosophy starts and ends with the movie "God's Not Dead" then I'll just see my way out of this thread and not look back.

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(May 9, 2019 at 12:21 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 9, 2019 at 12:18 pm)Losty Wrote: Yea Drich, you feel free to forward me a PM where I ever said I thought god was dead. 🙄

Are you an atheist?

The actual existence of God is IRRELEVANT TO Nietzsche's argument!! The statement is about religion and belief in God's role in our civilization and how many believe in it and how it fits into their lives. It's about collective psychology... so being an atheist doesn't automatically mean I agree with the statement.

(May 9, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Losty Wrote:

(May 9, 2019 at 12:21 pm)Drich Wrote:


Are you an atheist?

I do not believe that god is dead

Is God alive?

(May 9, 2019 at 2:34 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 9, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Losty Wrote: I do not believe that god is dead

Is God alive?

Gods are neither alive nor dead. That’s my view. You can see it however you wish. You don’t get to decide what I think. My point is not to argue semantics with you Drich. My point is that you don’t get to say “you think....”. You don’t get to do that for anyone but yourself. I don’t tell you what you believe.