"The founding fathers said..."

"The constitution says..."

Pretty sure the founding fathers had no concept of hand held weapons that can fire hundreds if rounds a minute. They were, after all, from a time with single shot muskets.

The constitution says, I believe, "A well regulated militia", and was written at a time when America didn't have a standing army. And a well regulated militua hardly describes many of the inbred yahoos who have massive personal armouries.

And I read somewhere that one of the founding fathers stated that the constitution should be reviewed and updated regularly? Anyone have any information on that?

(May 15, 2019 at 5:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Metal detectors are cheaper than legislation, and you'd want the metal detectors even if you could afford the legislation, which you can't.

Not compared to the medical and mental costs. 

Legislation is hard, that part is true, but I think it is worth it so America doesn't have to live in a shooting gallery.

What else do we have but legislation? Legislation is how women got the right to vote. Legislation was how segregation ended, that took time and was hard for the people who advocated for it, and it took time and money, but I think that was worth it.

The long term benefit of reducing firearm violence is a savings, not a burden.

I actually have no issue with schools having metal detectors installed at all entry points. That being said, are we really convinced that this will stop mass shootings? If anything, sick fucks who commit mass shootings will just choose an easier target, i.e. a mall. Then what? Metal detectors in malls?

(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: I actually have no issue with schools having metal detectors installed at all entry points. That being said, are we really convinced that this will stop mass shootings? If anything, sick fucks who commit mass shootings will just choose an easier target, i.e. a mall. Then what? Metal detectors in malls?

BINGO, there are millions of soft targets, like the Vegas shooter, and Roof and the theater shooter. 

Even outside the issue of firearms, the Takata(sp) air bag company fucked itself by not having proper protocol and got greedy. That greed cost them lawsuits which meant the bad product ended up costing future consumers more. Same with Boeing. Instead of insuring the plane's computer system had enough redundancy and the pilots had enough training, they rushed the product out. Two crashes, and you know those families are going to rightfully sue, and again, that drives up the cost of air travel.

It is simply going to be cheaper long term for the firearm industry to stop selling their "free for all" crap and scaring people to sell their products.

(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: "The founding fathers said..."

"The constitution says..."

Pretty sure the founding fathers had no concept of hand held weapons that can fire hundreds if rounds a minute.  They were, after all, from a time with single shot muskets.

The constitution says, I believe, "A well regulated militia", and was written at a time when America didn't have a standing army.  And a well regulated militua hardly describes many of the inbred yahoos who have massive personal armouries.

And I read somewhere that one of the founding fathers stated that the constitution should be reviewed and updated regularly?  Anyone have any information on that?

Thomas Jefferson, and every twenty years, so the next generation has a voice in the government.

Missing  the fact mass shooters almost never  pick targets on risk of opposition , And pick them because they some significance to the killer .

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(May 15, 2019 at 5:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: I actually have no issue with schools having metal detectors installed at all entry points. That being said, are we really convinced that this will stop mass shootings? If anything, sick fucks who commit mass shootings will just choose an easier target, i.e. a mall. Then what? Metal detectors in malls?

BINGO, there are millions of soft targets, like the Vegas shooter, and Roof and the theater shooter. 

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Accept mass shooters don't usually kill at random they choose a specific place for a specific reason  which rarely has to do with it being "soft "

(May 15, 2019 at 5:16 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: An SRO is a sworn and commissioned law enforcement officer, Biker.

BFD.

A swearing in ceremony means little if you' re swearing in a minimum wage moron.

(May 15, 2019 at 5:44 pm)Amarok Wrote: Missing  the fact mass shooters almost never  pick targets on risk of opposition , And pick them because they some significance to the killer .

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(May 15, 2019 at 5:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: BINGO, there are millions of soft targets, like the Vegas shooter, and Roof and the theater shooter. 

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Accept mass shooters don't usually kill at random they choose a specific place for a specific reason  which rarely has to do with it being "soft "

What criteria do they select then?

(May 15, 2019 at 5:44 pm)Amarok Wrote: Missing  the fact mass shooters almost never  pick targets on risk of opposition , And pick them because they some significance to the killer .

We can focus on mass shooters and we should, but the bulk of firearm fatalities are suicides, second would  be domestic violence, 3rd would be accidental, mostly being children getting access to their parents gun. All types of firearm injury and deaths are important. 

This is why motive really irritates me. That is only important short term in each case to the investigators. Long term access is the issue regardless.

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(May 15, 2019 at 5:42 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: "The founding fathers said..."

"The constitution says..."

Pretty sure the founding fathers had no concept of hand held weapons that can fire hundreds if rounds a minute.  They were, after all, from a time with single shot muskets.

The constitution says, I believe, "A well regulated militia", and was written at a time when America didn't have a standing army.  And a well regulated militua hardly describes many of the inbred yahoos who have massive personal armouries.

And I read somewhere that one of the founding fathers stated that the constitution should be reviewed and updated regularly?  Anyone have any information on that?

Thomas Jefferson, and every twenty years, so the next generation has a voice in the government.

^^^^^^^ Yep, this is what both conservative and liberal law students learn, but what most laypeople don't learn in civics classes.

That is why Amendments can be added or removed. The founders knew times would change.

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(May 15, 2019 at 4:35 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 4:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I can walk in downtown Brisbane, without even worrying about getting robbed without a firearm. Same in Tokyo. And despite what one may think, they don't ban firearms in either country, they just do a far better job keeping them out of the wrong hands.

I have never needed a gun walking down a street in my life .

Neither have I, but then again, I don't hang out with anyone who boasts a firearm in public when they don't have a job that requires it.

And I don't own one myself. I figure if someone wants me dead bad enough, it is far more likely they'd ambush me before I could draw a firearm anyway.

A lot like a shark will sneak up on a seal at the surface and ambush them.

(May 15, 2019 at 5:48 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 5:44 pm)Amarok Wrote: Missing  the fact mass shooters almost never  pick targets on risk of opposition , And pick them because they some significance to the killer .

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Accept mass shooters don't usually kill at random they choose a specific place for a specific reason  which rarely has to do with it being "soft "

What criteria do they select then?

Can be ideological - They hate a certain groups therefore target place that group hangs out

Can be a place they were hurt thus they are motivated by revenge -  School shooters generally target their own schools were they were they believed bullied or ostracized or a school that holds some significance to someone who hurt them.

Can be a place they will get the most attention -Remember most of these nut jobs want attention

Those are just examples mind you their are plenty more

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(May 15, 2019 at 5:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 15, 2019 at 5:44 pm)Amarok Wrote: Missing  the fact mass shooters almost never  pick targets on risk of opposition , And pick them because they some significance to the killer .

We can focus on mass shooters and we should, but the bulk of firearm fatalities are suicides, second would  be domestic violence, 3rd would be accidental, mostly being children getting access to their parents gun. All types of firearm injury and deaths are important. 

This is why motive really irritates me. That is only important short term in each case to the investigators. Long term access is the issue regardless.

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(May 15, 2019 at 5:42 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Thomas Jefferson, and every twenty years, so the next generation has a voice in the government.

^^^^^^^ Yep, this is what both conservative and liberal law students learn, but what most laypeople don't learn in civics classes.

That is why Amendments can be added or removed. The founders knew times would change.

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(May 15, 2019 at 4:35 pm)Amarok Wrote: I have never needed a gun walking down a street in my life .

Neither have I, but then again, I don't hang out with anyone who boasts a firearm in public when they don't have a job that requires it.

And I don't own one myself. I figure if someone wants me dead bad enough, it is far more likely they'd ambush me before I could draw a firearm anyway.

A lot like a shark will sneak up on a seal at the surface and ambush them.

1. Too be fair I was talking about mass shooters specifically 

2. True enough