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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 22, 2019 at 9:10 am
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(May 22, 2019 at 6:30 am)pocaracas Wrote: (May 22, 2019 at 4:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: Actually I dealt with controls and communication protocols in the past. You know nothing about my background.
I am not re explaining things I explained already in this thread.
What you explained is that DNA contains information and is functional and hence it is designed by a designer and that designer you call God.
We can take issue with DNA having information, but then we get too deeply into what is information.
I don't see much issue with it being functional, though the functionality it just biochemistry.
The "hence" part is the one everyone takes issue with.
You see.... actually, it's been told to you, so you clearly do not see, but oh well... in the world where a designer god exists, everything would be designed and so there would be no need to make any case for a design based on a few particularities that you observe in DNA, but do not observe in many other things in the natural world, like crystals or just rocks. This alone makes your "hence", your "obvious", become null - if everything is designed, everything contains marks of the design, DNA included. No need to make a special provision for DNA. That's where arguments like the fine tuning come in, but that's not what you're advocating here.
You wished to make a case based solely on DNA, stemming from your inability to comprehend evolution and biochemistry.
You've been told to develop an evolutionary algorithm to see how things develop in a virtual system in the hopes that it would help you understand how far evolution can take simple basic rules, like those found in chemistry and develop biochemistry. Mimic what others have made, google evolutionary computer model... maybe you'll find something already made in python (which is free).
Learn how powerful evolution is and then maybe you'll break free of your micro-macro idiocy and then maybe you'll understand what some folk have been telling you about your belief in an incompetent god.
We will have to agree to disagree.
(May 22, 2019 at 7:55 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: (May 22, 2019 at 1:40 am)CDF47 Wrote:
Yes, it does demonstrate design.
And your evidence for this outrageous claim is...........?????
...is presented throughout this entire thread.
(May 22, 2019 at 8:00 am)LastPoet Wrote: (May 22, 2019 at 7:55 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: And your evidence for this outrageous claim is...........?????
The bible. Wow, that was easy.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 22, 2019 at 9:14 am
If you think that science proves the fairy, then you're wasting your time here. Go write a paper and collect your nobel.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 22, 2019 at 10:41 am
(May 22, 2019 at 9:10 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 22, 2019 at 6:30 am)pocaracas Wrote: What you explained is that DNA contains information and is functional and hence it is designed by a designer and that designer you call God.
We can take issue with DNA having information, but then we get too deeply into what is information.
I don't see much issue with it being functional, though the functionality it just biochemistry.
The "hence" part is the one everyone takes issue with.
You see.... actually, it's been told to you, so you clearly do not see, but oh well... in the world where a designer god exists, everything would be designed and so there would be no need to make any case for a design based on a few particularities that you observe in DNA, but do not observe in many other things in the natural world, like crystals or just rocks. This alone makes your "hence", your "obvious", become null - if everything is designed, everything contains marks of the design, DNA included. No need to make a special provision for DNA. That's where arguments like the fine tuning come in, but that's not what you're advocating here.
You wished to make a case based solely on DNA, stemming from your inability to comprehend evolution and biochemistry.
You've been told to develop an evolutionary algorithm to see how things develop in a virtual system in the hopes that it would help you understand how far evolution can take simple basic rules, like those found in chemistry and develop biochemistry. Mimic what others have made, google evolutionary computer model... maybe you'll find something already made in python (which is free).
Learn how powerful evolution is and then maybe you'll break free of your micro-macro idiocy and then maybe you'll understand what some folk have been telling you about your belief in an incompetent god.
We will have to agree to disagree.
What does that mean??
What are you disagreeing with??
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 22, 2019 at 12:20 pm
(May 22, 2019 at 4:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 22, 2019 at 3:50 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Great, then please explain the protocols. Please explain your competence to talk about (software) protocols as a mechanical and system engineer.
As a system engineer you also surely can explain to us the architecture of said transportation systems. The the safety mechanisms, general measures for robustness, how various functions make use of protocols, etc..
The fact that something reminds you of something you (as a mechanical engineer, hardly) know does not mean it actually is like the stuff you know, you.....know?
Actually I dealt with controls and communication protocols in the past. You know nothing about my background.
I am not re explaining things I explained already in this thread.
I know enough about you to know you are a bad troll at best.
You explained nothing. You are stomping your troll feet saying you did, for 1300 pages now.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 22, 2019 at 2:43 pm
(May 22, 2019 at 9:10 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 22, 2019 at 8:00 am)LastPoet Wrote: The bible. Wow, that was easy.
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There is no science in your fantasy book and you don't understand what science means, what it is and how it works. Your god is nothing but wishfull thinking. 1300 pages of nothing. If you used science you would've already won the nobel prize.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 22, 2019 at 7:41 pm
(This post was last modified: May 22, 2019 at 7:42 pm by Gwaithmir.)
(May 22, 2019 at 9:10 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 22, 2019 at 7:55 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: And your evidence for this outrageous claim is...........?????
...is presented throughout this entire thread.
Wrong! All you have throughout this discussion done is to argue from assertion and denial, both logical fallacies. You're not very good at this.
Here's the real science: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
You've been pwned again. Get an education, numb nuts! 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 23, 2019 at 4:20 am
(May 22, 2019 at 7:41 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Wrong! All you have throughout this discussion done is to argue from assertion and denial, both logical fallacies. You're not very good at this.
Here's the real science: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
You've been pwned again. Get an education, numb nuts! (bold mine)
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 23, 2019 at 7:28 am
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 23, 2019 at 8:04 am
(May 21, 2019 at 8:00 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 20, 2019 at 7:06 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, trolling IS against the rules here. Trouble is, sometimes it's pretty hard to distinguish between trolling and rank stupidity. And we can't ban people for being stupid.
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I am not stupid and I am not trolling. So nice try.
(May 20, 2019 at 7:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Just curious - what sort of an engineer?
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Mechanical engineer, although I served also as a general engineer, design team leader, and systems engineer.
(May 20, 2019 at 7:56 am)LastPoet Wrote: Like, I watched MackGiver, I am an engineer.
Too bad some people think that way. No, I have a bachelor's degree in ME.
Citation needed. As a major in accounting, I've showed a better grasp of engineering in this thread than you.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 23, 2019 at 9:05 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2019 at 9:06 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I highly doubt that CDF has the cred he claims..but it's not beyond the realm of possibility that some ME thinks he's qualified to comment on genetics while his statements to that effect demonstrate that he is profoundly not.
So it's not like it would matter. ID is full of idiots who went to college.
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