(July 15, 2019 at 11:06 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 10:38 am)Mathilda Wrote: What exactly is bareback sex?

I feel like I am missing out.

Having sex without condom.

One of the few advantages of being both infertile and in a monogamous relationship is that this is the norm for me. Not that it does me much good though because I'm anorgasmic.

(July 15, 2019 at 11:18 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 11:06 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Having sex without condom.

One of the few advantages of being both infertile and in a monogamous relationship is that this is the norm for me. Not that it does me much good though because I'm anorgasmic.

I'm sorry that you're infertile; it must feel bad. But on the bright side; once you eliminate sexual feelings you can at least know for sure that your mate loves you for real, add this to the advantages. And why are you anorgasmic ? is it due to M.S ?

(July 15, 2019 at 9:31 am)Drich Wrote:

(July 10, 2019 at 3:08 pm)Athene Wrote:

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Hmm...I feel like the fact that one of the objectives of the New Deal's Homeowner's Loan Corporation (aka the FHA) was to implement policies that were explicitly designed to cripple Black families and to corral them into public housing with virtually no avenue of escape had something to do with that. After all, the US government DID make it nearly impossible for Black people to access the extremely low-interest, government-backed home loans that effectively created the middle-class AND for them to retain equity in any previously owned home, buy, or refinance a home anywhere in this country. In black or white neighborhoods. That included Black veterans who go dicked out of what was promised them by the VA after serving their country with honor as well. Their service didn't matter.

Such was the law of the land up until the early 70's; a few years after 1968's Fair Housing Act. 
The policies were rescinded after the die was cast, and damage and devastation were already done in numerous Black communities.

Uncle Sam created the projects, son. With the express purpose of ensuring that Black American remain a permanent underclass.
It's true. 

But if makes you feel better to ignore those deliberate policies and actions, and attribute the social decline to an inherent lust for savage, unmarried jungle sex that inevitably broke through the collective Black consciousness in the 60's then by all means, go ahead. 

Pretend that it's lack of adherence to your Bestest Book that's the problem instead of recognizing that policies implemented by those who undoubtedly waved it about were the driving force.

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Are YOU blind bias and stupid?

Black Americans where not the only ones effected by unfair lending practices, yet no other race who endured unfair treatment by the US government including the native american population who where stripped of everything at one point has habitually remained in abject poverty, and when things got better for the minority groups and fair and balanced loans where made available, every other social and economic group not only recovered but can also be found co-existing with white people on every level in proportion with their racial representation or ration to white. all except black people.

So this is where and why I called you a biased moron.. you do not take into account all the other minorities. even asians represent a group of people who number less than black people in this country many are first generation meaning little to no help coming into this country often times english being a 2nd or 3rd language. and those who where here during the 50s 60s and 70s when minorities where being denied loans, Also keep in mind Asians where hated by everyone even by the black as we have been at war with a asian nation and lost to korea and vietnam for almost 50 years. enough to poison 2 generations of americans against asians. Think how most of america thought of arabs on 9-11 now stretch the unfiltered hate and let it fester for 50 years as there was not pulling back on racial hate back then.. yet they do not struggle with the issues black people do. Asian are not known to be in poverty here.

Why?

What do asians and whites have in common that black people do not share?

Oh! So you DO acknowledge that these things did indeed happen. I assumed that you didn't due to the way I've seen you yammer on about wonderful and idyllic America was in the 40's and 50's. You just don't think that being denied the ability to own/keep a home and build wealth could possibly have any real impact on families just a generation or so later.

It's ALL about the unmarried sex. Gotcha.   

Everyone knows that Hispanics, Asians and other minorities were deeply impacted by these policies. They were WHITES ONLY policies.
In your racist rush to grossly oversimplify matters and lap up the stereotype of being a "model" minority, you've IGNORED the fact that Hispanic families continue to be overrepresented among the poor in the US and that Southeast Asians have some of the highest poverty rates in this country. Your insistence that all Asians are thriving is untrue.

Quote:Again it is the bond between husband and wife and a strong family foundation, where men are often groomed to be fathers from a very young age, while black males regard free sex and conquesting as many women as possible they even brag about how many illegitimate children they have, as if it where something to be proud of. This broken family dynamic is why it is so much harder for someone any one to get a loan. A problem just about every other race does not share.

My, your racist broadbrushing is remarkably detailed. How charming.

(July 15, 2019 at 11:42 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 11:18 am)Mathilda Wrote: One of the few advantages of being both infertile and in a monogamous relationship is that this is the norm for me. Not that it does me much good though because I'm anorgasmic.

I'm sorry that you're infertile; it must feel bad. But on the bright side; once you eliminate sexual feelings you can at least know for sure that your mate loves you for real, add this to the advantages. And why are you anorgasmic ? is it due to M.S ?

No, don't worry. It's not due to the MS, although it doesn't help. I've always been anorgasmic.

(July 15, 2019 at 9:31 am)Drich Wrote:

(July 10, 2019 at 6:12 pm)Athene Wrote:

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To answer the OP generally, many theists are overly concerned with what people do with their genitals because it stands to distract from drinking whatever nonsense Kool-Aid theists are selling, obviously.

The fact that that some of biggest pervs and predators in the world include professed theists is lost on them, of course. Plenty of them are perfectly okay with tolerating sicko criminal fuckery, so as long as the veneer of smiling, "good", godly family is being presented. AF's very own @Drich can be counted among those types. He hysterically blames "the gay sex" and black single motherhood for all of society ill's one breath, but fails to see what the "big deal" is with rape and fucking children when it comes to otherwise perfectly good hu-white men and Christian institutions.


So short answer: They're FULL OF SHIT.

Lol

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not gay sex or black people in general. I made it clear, but you are too busy trying to put what I said, and make it fit in your own biased and ignorant manifesto/world view.

I said free sex is the scourge of society. it is the idea that a father does not have to raise his children. it is the idea that a man can move from partner to partner and it not effect the family. it is the idea that the family is not needed that men play no roles in how a child develops. it is the idea that women can provide a child with everything on their own. I'm sorry women can't. look at how single mother have failed from the 70' 80's and 90s. and now 2000's. look at out prisons. who fills them out? men who had both mother and a father or is it men who only had a mom? look at how same men treat women...

That sweet heart is the problem I pointed out.

You can't tell me that any one raising a child on her own would not take an offer of all of a hard working man's pay check every week and 50% of the work load being shared with a loving attentive father.

Free sex (any sex outside the confines of a sanctified marriage) removes this option from a family, and on a large national scale it removes the core elements on needs to be a successful and productive member of society. Not that you can not obtain these skills any other way.. It is just way easier to have these things programmed in from a very young age. Most people if not taught from childhood how to be a man and raise a family, do not know to seek this out. rather then like minded 'brothers.' who often are the antissis of structured social community, who often times are at odds because they begin to develop their own social norms which disconnects them from the main stream. they want to build a subculture based on free sex and personal want and will rather than self sacrifice for God country and family.

Again not that a single mom can't do this or a man can't figure this out on their own, it's just history and our prisons tell a completely different story.

Above all things, I encourage women to become wholly self-sufficient before having children, and that stance has nothing to do with sex. I honestly believe it goes much further in protecting them and their children from poverty then any simple "marriage solution". I would like to see more women in the position of being able to well-provide for their families whether they choose to be unmarried, marry, or marry and become widowed or divorced.

I'm not opposed to marriage per se, but I do believe that the "traditional" marriage set-up that so many Christians love to champion of a stay-at-home mother popping out kid after kid and being overly or totally dependent on her spouse stands to be a dangerous set-up for women. It works out fine for some of course, but it blows up enough in women's faces that there's no way I could go out of my way to advocate for it in good conscience. I won't co-sign on that.

Despite MY lack of enthusiasm for the "traditional" marriage, 75% of Black women are married by the before the age of 35; presumably to Black males for the most part. So clearly this special knack you have for knowing precisely what all Black people want and think and where that takes them at any given moment is somewhat askew. 
Hell, I argue with Black "respectability" twats about this sort shit all the time who claim that I'm somehow the cause of racism and dysfunction because I personally have no interest in being married and don't buy that it's the end all solution to discrimination, racism, poverty, and every fucking thing else world. 

They're lunatics, just like you.

Before pre marital sex, divorce, and single parenting we’re normalized.,. people fucked in private, cheated on and cucked their spouses at an alarming rate, and remained stuck in loveless and/or abusive marriages.

Ah, the good old days!

The reason that Christians are obsessed with other people’s dicks is simple. Taboo breeds perversion.

(July 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm)Athene Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 9:31 am)Drich Wrote: not gay sex or black people in general. I made it clear, but you are too busy trying to put what I said, and make it fit in your own biased and ignorant manifesto/world view.

I said free sex is the scourge of society. it is the idea that a father does not have to raise his children. it is the idea that a man can move from partner to partner and it not effect the family. it is the idea that the family is not needed that men play no roles in how a child develops. it is the idea that women can provide a child with everything on their own. I'm sorry women can't. look at how single mother have failed from the 70' 80's and 90s. and now 2000's. look at out prisons. who fills them out? men who had both mother and a father or is it men who only had a mom? look at how same men treat women...

That sweet heart is the problem I pointed out.

You can't tell me that any one raising a child on her own would not take an offer of all of a hard working man's pay check every week and 50% of the work load being shared with a loving attentive father.

Free sex (any sex outside the confines of a sanctified marriage) removes this option from a family, and on a large national scale it removes the core elements on needs to be a successful and productive member of society. Not that you can not obtain these skills any other way.. It is just way easier to have these things programmed in from a very young age. Most people if not taught from childhood how to be a man and raise a family, do not know to seek this out. rather then like minded 'brothers.' who often are the antissis of structured social community, who often times are at odds because they begin to develop their own social norms which disconnects them from the main stream. they want to build a subculture based on free sex and personal want and will rather than self sacrifice for God country and family.

Again not that a single mom can't do this or a man can't figure this out on their own, it's just history and our prisons tell a completely different story.

Above all things, I encourage women to become wholly self-sufficient before having children, and that stance has nothing to do with sex. I honestly believe it goes much further in protecting them and their children from poverty then any simple "marriage solution". I would like to see more women in the position of being able to well-provide for their families whether they choose to be unmarried, marry, or marry and become widowed or divorced.

I'm not opposed to marriage per se, but I do believe that the "traditional" marriage set-up that so many Christians love to champion of a stay-at-home mother popping out kid after kid and being overly or totally dependent on her spouse stands to be a dangerous set-up for women. It works out fine for some of course, but it blows up enough in women's faces that there's no way I could go out of my way to advocate for it in good conscience. I won't co-sign on that.

Despite MY lack of enthusiasm for the "traditional" marriage, 75% of Black women are married by the before the age of 35; presumably to Black males for the most part. So clearly this special knack you have for knowing precisely what all Black people want and think and where that takes them at any given moment is somewhat askew. 
Hell, I argue with Black "respectability" twats about this sort shit all the time who claim that I'm somehow the cause of racism and dysfunction because I personally have no interest in being married and don't buy that it's the end all solution to discrimination, racism, poverty, and every fucking thing else world. 

They're lunatics, just like you.

I'm not trying to poop on black people here but the numbers are the numbers and the truth is the truth..

Let's start with just how I collect and present data. I give you a fact then a source.

Now look at the above mess you made. you gave your feeling and what you think should be true. I say that because you start with your own personal opinion. then make up some unreferenced bull shit about what black people do/what you think black people do.

So let's look at the numbers/truth A-Gain.

Marriage has been a declining institution among all Americans and this decline is even more evident in the Black community. In 2016 only 29% of African Americans were married compared to 48% of all Americans. Half or 50% of African Americans have never been married compared to 33% of all Americans.

After viewing the available data, we can see that although fewer black women are “now married”, more black women than Black men have been married at least once. This is because a higher percentage of Black women are divorced and widowed than men. Also in 2016 just under half or 48% of black women had never been married which is up from 44% in 2008 and 42.7% in 2005. 

Then we have a legit source:
https://blackdemographics.com/households...k-america/

These numbers are the exact opposite of what you 'think' black people want or are in fact doing according to the US census bureau ACS.

verse what... you're black, which makes you an expert on all black people in the US???

That's not how the truth works, but i guess truth does not matter any more to people, just the political narrative that allows you to call anyone you do not like or disagrees with you a racist... which should be in 3... 2... 1...

Another truth black in not the issue the destruction of the family via free sex is the issue. the same things happen to the sub culture of poor whites who have also adopted a culture of free sex. but poor white people via white privilege do not exist, so the next best example where free sex has destroyed a culture is with black americans. The next best example meaning alot of work and verified research has been done here, which is all but impossible for a truth seeker to deny.

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(July 15, 2019 at 3:02 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Before pre marital sex, divorce, and single parenting we’re normalized.,. people fucked in private, cheated on and cucked their spouses at an alarming rate,  and remained stuck in loveless and/or abusive marriages.

Ah, the good old days!

The reason that Christians are obsessed with other people’s dicks is simple.  Taboo breeds perversion.

I'm not saying people did not cheat on their spouses in the past. I am saying society did not allow tools that made cheating so easy before the culture of free sex.

Or are you saying there was a 1950's version of tinder, ginder and 100's of other hook up apps and websites who only purpose was to put strangers in bed with one another. Where as before you had to actively seek out people who wanted what you did. Today it seems like the culture has become anti family in that the protections of just general shame for not being monogamous has in of it'self become 'immoral' to the culture at large.

(July 15, 2019 at 10:13 am)FDrich Wrote: You do know identifying a common social trait or a common social fault is not racism. racism is when you use such a trait to isolate or discriminate against a whole people.

Bold mine:

Quote:Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics

https://www.adl.org/racism

The article in question comes dangerously close to insinuating as much. The most generous I can be is to say that the author’s failure to approach any tangible, measurable cause for this phenomenon in impoverished, black communities leaves the door wide open for racist interpretations. 

Quote:This study only points out the reason why people without fathers tend fail in this society. Again by the numbers because there are more white people, more white men experience this problem, but because even though a larger number of white men are affect a smaller percentage of the total population adopt this practice.
However because a larger percentage of the black community has adopted this social model higher percentage of males in that community are subject to this study's findings.

Again look which who dominates our prisons. Men with out fathers (white men without father first then black men without fathers.)

Sure. And, I’m not arguing against the hypothesis that family breakdown contributes to individual failure and societal breakdown. I’m only pointing out that if someone’s answer to the follow-up question: “Well, why are there so many broken families in African American communities?” is, “because, that’s just how the black folk are”, that person is a racist.

(July 15, 2019 at 11:45 am)Athene Wrote: Oh! So you DO acknowledge that these things did indeed happen. I assumed that you didn't due to the way I've seen you yammer on about wonderful and idyllic America was in the 40's and 50's. You just don't think that being denied the ability to own/keep a home and build wealth could possibly have any real impact on families just a generation or so later.

It's ALL about the unmarried sex. Gotcha.   

in the 40 and 50s the black marriage rate was far higher than whites, so for the purpose of this discussion for black people it was a good time for their communities (if you were not in the south.)

Quote:Everyone knows that Hispanics, Asians and other minorities were deeply impacted by these policies. They were WHITES ONLY policies.
In your racist rush to grossly oversimplify matters and lap up the stereotype of being a "model" minority, you've IGNORED the fact that Hispanic families continue to be overrepresented among the poor in the US and that Southeast Asians have some of the highest poverty rates in this country. Your insistence that all Asians are thriving is untrue.

what a dishonest pos you are.
Most asians are doing better than the average white person in america today.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/06/...americans/

Then to call out south east asians.. sweet heart they may be the poorest people in the world outside south america, but unlike south american the US will simply not allow them in if they have nothing to contribute, can't speak the language or can not work a skilled job.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dic...-americans
So working from your stereotype this is true that south eastern asian are poor but not if they come here.

what s also true is blacks in africa are also worse off than blacks in america and if/when the poorest of the poor are thrust into an american society or environment alone they too will fail 10 times out of 11. How ever where the asian succeeds and the african fails is the support structure Asian offer each other because all are seen as apart of the same family.

Did you know in my moms church there is a program for newcomers to america. if one is shown to be honorable/family and responsible they are offered seed money by the other koreans in the community to start their own business or store. This is not true with every group but what is true is an asian will go across town to buy from another asian passing several other like stores or shops just to support another asian. they pay this money back over time with no interest but with the promise to help the next family get started. Not every group does this but all suport each other.

When that korean guy shot up the collage campus a few years ago all first gen koreans felt a personal collective shame for one of them having raise a killer who killed innocent people. again not that koreas or asian are better but I say this to show how strong the family and community bond is.

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Again it is the bond between husband and wife and a strong family foundation, where men are often groomed to be fathers from a very young age, while black males regard free sex and conquesting as many women as possible they even brag about how many illegitimate children they have, as if it where something to be proud of. This broken family dynamic is why it is so much harder for someone any one to get a loan. A problem just about

My, your racist broadbrushing is remarkably detailed. How charming.
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I called it! I'm a racist because I am posting facts documented by several neutral sources that you do not like!

That is why you fail!

because it is my fault you don't want to be told you highness is not wearing not cloths.

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(July 15, 2019 at 3:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 10:13 am)FDrich Wrote: You do know identifying a common social trait or a common social fault is not racism. racism is when you use such a trait to isolate or discriminate against a whole people.

Bold mine:

Quote:Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics

https://www.adl.org/racism

The article in question comes dangerously close to insinuating as much. The most generous I can be is to say that the author’s failure to approach any tangible, measurable cause for this phenomenon in improvised, black communities leaves the door wide open for racist interpretations. 

Ok lets go with that... now show me where the article mentions race let alone blacks where predetermined to act this way.

Quote:Sure. And, I’m not arguing against the hypothesis that family breakdown contributes to individual failure and societal breakdown. I’m only pointing out that if someone’s answer to the follow-up question: “Well, why are there so many broken families in African American communities?” is, “because, that’s just how the black folk are”, that person is a racist.

no did not say that. I said look at who is in jail. more whites than black almost double. then I asked do these men come from a mom and dad family or did they come from a mom only family... Then I point out that a lager percentage of black people populate prison which is in correlation to the decline of marriage and the increases of available free sex in that specific society.

The distinction here was to point out larger numbers of whites populate prison and come from a broken home

But a larger percentage of black men meaning a larger percentage of black men in the community have problems adapting to prime american culture (where asians spanish whites and blacks all come together and live under the rule of social and legal authority, for the ame reason a smaller percentage of white men but a larger number of whites are in prison. these men re with out the structure and discipline that a full time father contributes to the family structure.

I did not isolate black people here. I point out a universal truth and used black people and their social decline in the last 50 years as an example because again it is well charted and documented, as the family declined the numbers of black men being imprisoned raised. which again is mirrored in other cultures but is not as well known or observed as in the black community.

(July 15, 2019 at 3:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(July 15, 2019 at 10:13 am)FDrich Wrote: You do know identifying a common social trait or a common social fault is not racism. racism is when you use such a trait to isolate or discriminate against a whole people.

Bold mine:

Quote:Racism is the belief that a particular race is superior or inferior to another, that a person’s social and moral traits are predetermined by his or her inborn biological characteristics

https://www.adl.org/racism

The article in question comes dangerously close to insinuating as much. The most generous I can be is to say that the author’s failure to approach any tangible, measurable cause for this phenomenon in improvised, black communities leaves the door wide open for racist interpretations. 

Quote:This study only points out the reason why people without fathers tend fail in this society. Again by the numbers because there are more white people, more white men experience this problem, but because even though a larger number of white men are affect a smaller percentage of the total population adopt this practice.
However because a larger percentage of the black community has adopted this social model higher percentage of males in that community are subject to this study's findings.

Again look which who dominates our prisons. Men with out fathers (white men without father first then black men without fathers.)

Sure. And, I’m not arguing against the hypothesis that family breakdown contributes to individual failure and societal breakdown. I’m only pointing out that if someone’s answer to the follow-up question: “Well, why are there so many broken families in African American communities?” is, “because, that’s just how the black folk are”, that person is a racist.

Ah he's busted out this tired Social Conservative trope

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