(July 3, 2019 at 4:56 pm)Losty Wrote: Why are you so concerned with what other people do with their genitals?

I don’t think most theists care what you do personally with your genitals, they do care whether you try to push your particular sexual morality on to them or their children.

(July 19, 2019 at 10:51 am)Acrobat Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 4:56 pm)Losty Wrote: Why are you so concerned with what other people do with their genitals?

I don’t think most theists care what you do personally with your genitals, they do care whether you try to push your particular sexual morality on to them or their children.

Except what is actually being done is someone advocating tolerance to those who are not gender normative. That's what the theists are actually objecting to, but they can't admit that.

(July 19, 2019 at 10:51 am)Acrobat Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 4:56 pm)Losty Wrote: Why are you so concerned with what other people do with their genitals?

I don’t think most theists care what you do personally with your genitals, they do care whether you try to push your particular sexual morality on to them or their children.

People aren’t trying to push their sexual morality on anyone. We just want to be allowed to live our lives in peace and to be treated like human beings.

(July 10, 2019 at 10:05 am)Drich Wrote: Family, is the short answer. one mother one father are the unit needed to raise disciplined, self respecting and well rounded children. Look at the greatest generation and the divorce rate even through the great depression/families stood together and as a result raise young men who stood in line to go to war long before it was mandated simply because it was the right thing to do to keep and protect the us general population from having fighting happen on the us main land.

Now contrast a family from the 20s to today's "free sex" this is the antisiss of family. whether that is hetero or homo, sex it is not devotion to the idea of the family or to rearing of children in the way we where designed by God to create a successful generation. Free sex/sex outside the confines of a sanctified marriage allows for the immediate gratification of sex but does not mandate the work it takes to have and maintain a long term healthy relationship.

Why would a man or a woman stay in a family situation when all they want is sex and sex is just a tinder or a grinder app away? Despite what we have been told since the 60s one parent can not do a good job on their own raising a child. even if the other parent is there but has all but checked out due to a porn addiction or a romance at the office or general disinterest and hate for the family.

Free non life time committal sex allows people to break the tie that binds families together. kids who grow up in broken homes turn out to be broken adults... Broken atults form broken communities and broken communities turn in to broken cities like detroit Chicago and san francisco. I dare you to tell me that the people from those cities have more intact families than broken homes.

Bold:divorce rate was lower because of social pressure, mysogini was in it s prime at that time.

(July 19, 2019 at 11:01 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(July 19, 2019 at 10:51 am)Acrobat Wrote: I don’t think most theists care what you do personally with your genitals, they do care whether you try to push your particular sexual morality on to them or their children.

Except what is actually being done is someone advocating tolerance to those who are not gender normative. That's what the theists are actually objecting to, but they can't admit that.

Most theist tolerate, non-gender normative people, they might find them weird, or deluded, and don’t like to be forced to used certain gender pronouns, but they tolerate them as anyone else tolerates people whose beliefs they don’t agree with, or find wrong or deluded.

At worst they’re opposed to bathroom policies, and don’t like the idea of a male like myself using the same changing room, or bathrooms as their daughter, or other teenage boys showering along side them.

I know, you’ll say they’re not boys but people who identify as girls, but that’s silly, the logical extension of such practices is gender neutral areas, because the supposed non-normative meaning of male and female have no objective meaning.

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(July 19, 2019 at 4:11 pm)Losty Wrote:

(July 19, 2019 at 10:51 am)Acrobat Wrote: I don’t think most theists care what you do personally with your genitals, they do care whether you try to push your particular sexual morality on to them or their children.

People aren’t trying to push their sexual morality on anyone. We just want to be allowed to live our lives in peace and to be treated like human beings.

If the view you as deluded, like many atheists view the religious does that mean they’re treating you like less of a human?

I’d wager that the majority of people, treat you not much different than they would a typical stranger, with casual indifference, and don’t really care what you do with your genitals. They probably care more about their bills, than your sexual identity.

This is not to say some people haven’t treated you poorly, I’m saying most people wouldn’t.

(July 19, 2019 at 10:51 am)Acrobat Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 4:56 pm)Losty Wrote: Why are you so concerned with what other people do with their genitals?

I don’t think most theists care what you do personally with your genitals, they do care whether you try to push your particular sexual morality on to them or their children.

I don't think this is true at all.  Theism has - and always has had - a long history of trying to regulate the sexual mores of other people.  Rules against polygamy, polyandry, clan marriage, incest, homosexuality, masturbation, etc. always arise either directly from theism or as a sop by secular authorities in an attempt to appease theists.

Boru

(July 20, 2019 at 4:39 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 19, 2019 at 10:51 am)Acrobat Wrote: I don’t think most theists care what you do personally with your genitals, they do care whether you try to push your particular sexual morality on to them or their children.

I don't think this is true at all.  Theism has - and always has had - a long history of trying to regulate the sexual mores of other people.  Rules against polygamy, polyandry, clan marriage, incest, homosexuality, masturbation, etc. always arise either directly from theism or as a sop by secular authorities in an attempt to appease theists.

Boru

No societies have pretty much always placed restrictions on sexual practices of one form or the other, incense, sex with minors, animals, etc... China has a variety of limitations on sexual activity, and it’s not theistic. Societies draw lines around such behaviors, some more liberal and some more restrictive. If the porn industry and brothels wanted to participate in HS senior job fair, I would think most atheists here would take issue with it.

Christianity, as far as the NT is concerned has next to nothing to say about legalities, or legal restrictions of anything, let alone sex, only with the morality of it all.