(July 30, 2019 at 7:38 pm)wyzas Wrote: The pedo's are not going to come forward on their own, look at the priesthood.

If they did come forward then they'd need to be isolated from contact with potential victims. I've not read/heard of any effective treatment or deterrent. You could consider castration but even that is not acceptably effective. 

It appears that Germany is trying a combo of pharmacological and CBT but I don't know how effective it is. :https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/condi...pedophilia

You could implement a discipline (or part of a discipline) that could tackle the problem of pedophilia in school. For example what it is, signs, how it is not Okey to engage with someone that can't really perceive or give consent and than encourage possible pedophiles to come forward. Maybe not all of them will engage in abuse but even if they watch pornographic material with children creates a market for such a thing.

Not all criminals deserve, are interested in, or would even benefit from, rehabilitation.

Pedophiles are one of few groups of humans I have absolutely no regard for. This isn't even a conversation. They should get executed publicly, as far as I'm concerned.

(July 30, 2019 at 7:49 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Not all criminals deserve, are interested in, or would even benefit from, rehabilitation.

Pedophiles are one of few groups of humans I have absolutely no regard for. This isn't even a conversation. They should get executed publicly, as far as I'm concerned.

Even those who have those desires and badly want to not feel them and go out of their way to avoid offending? I'm not saying I think the Jared Fogels of the world are likely to benefit, but there's still a tantalysing chance we might be able to find the next Jared and fix him before he can offend.

(July 30, 2019 at 7:49 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Not all criminals deserve, are interested in, or would even benefit from, rehabilitation.

Pedophiles are one of few groups of humans I have absolutely no regard for. This isn't even a conversation. They should get executed publicly, as far as I'm concerned.

And this doesn't solve the problem for the victims. Ask yourself what would you do to minimize the number of victims, not how would you punish the purpatrators, the latter is easy.

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(July 30, 2019 at 7:51 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 7:49 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Not all criminals deserve, are interested in, or would even benefit from, rehabilitation.

Pedophiles are one of few groups of humans I have absolutely no regard for. This isn't even a conversation. They should get executed publicly, as far as I'm concerned.

Even those who have those desires and badly want to not feel them and go out of their way to avoid offending? I'm not saying I think the Jared Fogels of the world are likely to benefit, but there's still a tantalysing chance we might be able to find the next Jared and fix him before he can offend.

This makes me thing of an episode in the good doctor. It was about a pedophile that came in to the hospital to get help( be castrated) and the doctor refused soo he killed himself in the end.

(July 30, 2019 at 7:51 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Even those who have those desires and badly want to not feel them and go out of their way to avoid offending? I'm not saying I think the Jared Fogels of the world are likely to benefit, but there's still a tantalysing chance we might be able to find the next Jared and fix him before he can offend.

Yes, even them. It's a disease the world should be rid of. If we could do it through genetic engineering, even better. That is, if such a thing is even hereditary, though I have to imagine that some aspect of it is.

(July 30, 2019 at 7:52 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: And this doesn't solve the problem for the victims. Ask yourself what would you do to minimize the number of victims, not how would you punish the purpatrators, the latter is easy.

There is no "solving the problem" for victims. Hopefully, after years of processing what they went through and extensive psycho-therapy, they can learn to deal with their trauma in a way that allows them to live happy, productive lives.

As far as reducing the number of victims; educating parents and children alike on spotting these people and their behaviors is a start. Also, if we began killing them off, they can't hurt any more children, can they? Kind of hard to be a pedophile when you're dead. Hard to be anything when you're dead, actually.

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(July 30, 2019 at 7:52 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: This makes me thing of an episode in the good doctor. It was about a pedophile that came in to the hospital to get help( be castrated) and the doctor refused soo he killed himself in the end.

Sounds like he did the world a favor. Bravo!

(July 30, 2019 at 7:57 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 7:51 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Even those who have those desires and badly want to not feel them and go out of their way to avoid offending? I'm not saying I think the Jared Fogels of the world are likely to benefit, but there's still a tantalysing chance we might be able to find the next Jared and fix him before he can offend.

Yes, even them. It's a disease the world should be rid of. If we could do it through genetic engineering, even better. That is, if such a thing is even hereditary, though I have to imagine that some aspect of it is.

(July 30, 2019 at 7:52 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: And this doesn't solve the problem for the victims. Ask yourself what would you do to minimize the number of victims, not how would you punish the purpatrators, the latter is easy.

There is no "solving the problem" for victims. Hopefully, after years of processing what they went through and extensive psycho-therapy, they can learn to deal with their trauma in a way that allows them to live happy, productive lives.

As far as reducing the number of victims; educating parents and children alike on spotting these people and their behaviors is a start. Also, if we began killing them off, they can't hurt any more children, can they? Kind of hard to be a pedophile when you're dead. Hard to be anything when you're dead, actually.

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(July 30, 2019 at 7:52 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: This makes me thing of an episode in the good doctor. It was about a pedophile that came in to the hospital to get help( be castrated) and the doctor refused soo he killed himself in the end.

Sounds like he did the world a favor. Bravo!

Soo were do we stop? Handicapped, autist, Down Syndrom, Retarded? Yeah, we should kill everything

(July 30, 2019 at 7:47 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 7:38 pm)wyzas Wrote: The pedo's are not going to come forward on their own, look at the priesthood.

If they did come forward then they'd need to be isolated from contact with potential victims. I've not read/heard of any effective treatment or deterrent. You could consider castration but even that is not acceptably effective. 

It appears that Germany is trying a combo of pharmacological and CBT but I don't know how effective it is. :https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/condi...pedophilia

You could implement a discipline (or part of a discipline) that could tackle the problem of pedophilia in school. For example what it is, signs, how it is not Okey to engage with someone that can't really perceive or give consent and than encourage possible pedophiles to come forward. Maybe not all of them will engage in abuse but even if they watch pornographic material with children creates a market for such a thing.

Both of the ways to take that comment are disgusting. I think this thread needs to be locked.

(July 30, 2019 at 7:59 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: Soo were do we stop? Handicapped, autist, Down Syndrom, Retarded? Yeah, we should kill everything

So, in your mind, being physically handicapped, having ASD or Down syndrome is the same as wanting to sexually assault children?

Jesus.

(July 30, 2019 at 8:00 pm)wyzas Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 7:47 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: You could implement a discipline (or part of a discipline) that could tackle the problem of pedophilia in school. For example what it is, signs, how it is not Okey to engage with someone that can't really perceive or give consent and than encourage possible pedophiles to come forward. Maybe not all of them will engage in abuse but even if they watch pornographic material with children creates a market for such a thing.

Both of the ways to take that comment are disgusting. I think this thread needs to be locked.

How is it disgusting? It was pointed out that not all of them engage physically, you still have the problem of the virtual environment. 
But you can have it locked, it seems that we can't get past of the taboo and we are not getting anywhere.

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(July 30, 2019 at 8:03 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(July 30, 2019 at 7:59 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: Soo were do we stop? Handicapped, autist, Down Syndrom, Retarded? Yeah, we should kill everything

So, in your mind, being physically handicapped, having ASD or Down syndrome is the same as wanting to sexually assault children?

Jesus.  

 You sayed pedophiles. They are the same in regard to the choice they have.( a person with down chooses to have down as much as a pedophile)

People who admit to being pedophiles and seek help without offending surely should get the help they seek without stigma. People who offend are beneath any empathy, in my opinion.