DUDE GET A FUCKING CLUE, any argument you make here I have fucking heard for the past 35 years. And all they are are because the CEOs and NRA needlessly scared the shit out of you so they could protect the profits of that industry.

ONCE you pull you head out of your ass, if you ever do, you will figure out that liberals DO NOT want a dictatorship for merely wanting a safe society. So again, you can get on board, or get the fuck out of the way. But the sane have had ENOUGH of being bullied by one industry and it's profit lobby.

(August 20, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: DUDE GET A FUCKING CLUE, any argument you make here I have fucking heard for the past 35 years. And all they are are because the CEOs and NRA needlessly scared the shit out of you so they could protect the profits of that industry.

ONCE you pull you head out of your ass, if you ever do, you will figure out that liberals DO NOT want a dictatorship for merely wanting a safe society. So again, you can get on board, or get the fuck out of the way. But the sane have had ENOUGH of being bullied by one industry and it's profit lobby.

I'm scared?

Odd.

I'm not the one howling like a spoiled girl who got her cellphone taken away......

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DON'T CARE! The time for talk should have ended with Columbine. The time for talk should have ended with Newtown. The time for talk should have ended with Parkland.

Your choices are to get on board, or get the fuck out of the way. The time for talk is over! There is no fucking debate to be had. America has way too much firearm violence. Arm more is not fucking working.

All your responses are just your own fucking insecurity because of the needless fear firearm CEOs scared you with.

(August 20, 2019 at 12:31 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 12:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: DUDE GET A FUCKING CLUE, any argument you make here I have fucking heard for the past 35 years. And all they are are because the CEOs and NRA needlessly scared the shit out of you so they could protect the profits of that industry.

ONCE you pull you head out of your ass, if you ever do, you will figure out that liberals DO NOT want a dictatorship for merely wanting a safe society. So again, you can get on board, or get the fuck out of the way. But the sane have had ENOUGH of being bullied by one industry and it's profit lobby.

I'm scared?

Odd.

I'm not the one howling like a spoiled girl who got her cellphone taken away......

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No, you're howling like a retarded adult who is afraid of losing his toys.

(August 20, 2019 at 8:19 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I used to think they were a good idea. Taking guns away from a deranged individual sounds good on the face of it - but would it work?

Probably not.

Why not? Very simple.

It depends on the honest cooperation of a deranged individual.

Consider - when the cops go into someone's house to confiscate guns - how do they know when they have them all? Answer - they have to ask - and trust - the deranged individual in question if they have all the guns.

See the problem?

You think that just MAYBE the guy might have a gun - or 30 stashed somewhere?

Think about this - prisoners in maximum security prisons manage to hide weapons. You think a guy who is free can't manage that trick?

Then also consider - might confiscating some of the guy's guns push him over the edge - and send him out on a killing spree?

Nope. You can't make the world safer by taking away a few guns. You can make it somewhat safer by locking people up.

Are you ready to start locking people up without a trial?

Do you have any objective data on the matter? Or are you just fantasizing out loud?

Does anyone have a link to a red flag law on the books that I could read?

I think it's a good concept but have some questions about application.

(August 20, 2019 at 12:46 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 12:31 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I'm scared?

Odd.

I'm not the one howling like a spoiled girl who got her cellphone taken away......

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No, you're howling like a retarded adult who is afraid of losing his toys.  

No I am not. I'm happy to listen to you, because you don't have your head up your ass.

But I am sorry, I really do not give a shit about sounding "crazy" or "offending" worshipers. 

100 people a day die from use of a firearm. And America is #1 in firearm violence among our allies.  I am sick of worshipers saying "Just keep them out of the wrong hands" only to shit their pants when we agree.

It is a different excuse every damned day as to why we shouldn't or cant. And as a result the cycle repeats.

OLB isn't looking for solutions, he is looking for excuses.

Food and cars get recalled when they cause problems. Passenger Jets get grounded after accidents. The firearm industry is the only industry that is not held to the same account when it's products cause injuries and death.

The only reason we have the amount of firearm violence we do is because the CEOs of that industry pay corporate lobbies to protect their profits.

@onlinebiker
Did you bother to look at the data Mister Agenda linked you to? I’d be curious to know what you think. You seem to enjoy starting threads on particular subjects, but you never seem interested in discussing any of the objective data collected on said subjects. So many of your arguments go like this: “my personal intuition tells me X is obviously true, and I know some people who agree with me. Therefore, I’m right.” Is that your method for determining what is true and what is not?

If it's not on NRA-TV he's not seen it.

(August 20, 2019 at 8:19 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Then also consider - might confiscating some of the guy's guns push him over the edge - and send him out on a killing spree?

Nope. You can't make the world safer by taking away a few guns. You can make it somewhat safer by locking people up.

I am not sure if i understood you correctly, but is your argument: "The crazy person may go on a killing spree once you try to confiscate his 30 guns, so you better lock him up"?
What if he goes on a killing spree once you try to lock him up?   
You think its a good idea to lock even more people up in the country where the inmates-per-capita ratio is already by far the worst in the civilized world?

Imho it becomes more and more apparent that you are desperately trying to adress the problem of gun violence by not adressing guns and their availiability at all. Of course i agree with (cant remember who it was) the poster who claimed that the problem of violence in general needs to be adressed in the american society.

And while you are pondering  , the next idiot is loading up a few magazines and grabs his rifle(s).....