(August 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 19, 2019 at 5:20 pm)Cecelia Wrote: I'd say Christianity isn't very much like human sacrifice at all.  It's a lot more like... extortion.

"You worked on Sunday, which has wronged me.  You owe me a lifetime in hell.  But don't worry, I'll sacrifice myself/my son (we're the same person) to myself and I'll forgive you.  So long as you worship and obey me and do whatever I say.  Then you'll have forgiveness for working on Sunday."

You really have a messed up idea of christianity, don't you?

No.  Not an messed up idea of Christianity.   But a idea of how messed up Christianity is.

I'll agree that most Christian churches are messed up. So are most atheists. So is our society. The world is totally messed up.

At work.

(August 20, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'll agree that most Christian churches are messed up. So are most atheists. So is our society. The world is totally messed up.

I don't in any way resemble that remark.

(August 20, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'll agree that most Christian churches are messed up. So are most atheists. So is our society. The world is totally messed up.

No.  Christian churches are messed up because Christianity is the essence of being messed up.  Christianity literally could not be Christianity if it was not messed up.  So no church can be Christian without being messed up.

It is one thing to have personal flaws.   It is another to embrace a creed without redeeming qualities as the overarching guide and source of purest truth and then argue other people have flaws too.

(August 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 19, 2019 at 5:20 pm)Cecelia Wrote: I'd say Christianity isn't very much like human sacrifice at all.  It's a lot more like... extortion.

"You worked on Sunday, which has wronged me.  You owe me a lifetime in hell.  But don't worry, I'll sacrifice myself/my son (we're the same person) to myself and I'll forgive you.  So long as you worship and obey me and do whatever I say.  Then you'll have forgiveness for working on Sunday."

You really have a messed up idea of christianity, don't you?

Nope. You simply have given no actual thought to what christianity actually entails. You simply brush the inconvenient parts under the rug.

Have a question. Did jebus die for our sins. Yes or no?

(August 20, 2019 at 3:24 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 2:31 pm)Lek Wrote: I'll agree that most Christian churches are messed up. So are most atheists. So is our society. The world is totally messed up.

No.  Christian churches are messed up because Christianity is the essence of being messed up.  Christianity literally could not be Christianity if it was not messed up.  So no church can be Christian without being messed up.

It is one thing to have personal flaws.   It is another to embrace a creed without redeeming qualities as the overarching guide and source of purest truth and then argue other people have flaws too.

Disagree.  People mess up everything.  Obviously, you think it's terrible.  That's your opinion and I have mine.  I think the US constitution is a great idea.  Look how people have destroyed that.

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(August 20, 2019 at 4:13 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm)Lek Wrote: You really have a messed up idea of christianity, don't you?

Nope. You simply have given no actual thought to what christianity actually entails. You simply brush the inconvenient parts under the rug.

Have a question. Did jebus die for our sins. Yes or no?

Believe me.  I've given it years of thought and I have my opinions and interpretations also. Did Jesus die for our sins? If you literally interpret the bible, then the answer is yes.

(August 20, 2019 at 4:35 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 3:24 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: No.  Christian churches are messed up because Christianity is the essence of being messed up.  Christianity literally could not be Christianity if it was not messed up.  So no church can be Christian without being messed up.

It is one thing to have personal flaws.   It is another to embrace a creed without redeeming qualities as the overarching guide and source of purest truth and then argue other people have flaws too.

Disagree.  People mess up everything.  Obviously, you think it's terrible.  That's your opinion and I have mine.  I think the US constitution is a great idea.  Look how people have destroyed that.

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No,  the constitution’s virtues is measured only by its effects on the people.   If people easily destroyed it, then it obviously lacked the wherewithal to serve its alleged purpose, so it never really was so great an idea as it was alleged to be by those who instantly loses all sense or realism and discernment and become starry eyed when the words “constitution” and “forefathers “ are heard.

But the difference between the constitution and Christianity is one of nature, not quality.

Constitution may not have what it took to be a great idea, but its purpose, and the means it proposes to grant itself, were at well intentioned.   Not so Christianity.   Christianity does not exist in the realm of good intentioned ideas.   It exists solely in the realm of evil, and is amongst the most degrading and wickedly misanthropic ideas ever hoisted upon mankind.  Right from its earliest moments it employed some of the the most fraudulent and coercive means ever yet used to perpetrate the dominating and and bending to its own aggrandizement of the potential and capabilities of men.    

Rather than messing everything up, mankind is actually are an incredible credit to itself  because  saddled as so much of mankind had been for so long with such a blight as Christianity, it still nonetheless achieve as much as it had done.

The wickedness of Christianity is made more manifest by the fact misanthropic morons besotted by Christianity then snicker at achievements of mankind under the burden of onerous Christianity,  just so these morons can exculpate the degrading myth of a god that fucked his own mother to give himself birth so as to save his mother’s people from an alleged sin in which they had no part and was permitted by himself.

(August 20, 2019 at 5:41 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: No,  the constitution’s virtues is measured only by its effects on the people.   If people easily destroyed it, then it obviously lacked the wherewithal to serve its alleged purpose, so it never really was so great an idea as it was alleged to be by those who instantly loses all sense or realism and discernment and become starry eyed when the words “constitution” and “forefathers “ are heard.

But the difference between the constitution and Christianity is one of nature, not quality.

Constitution may not have what it took to be a great idea, but its purpose, and the means it proposes to grant itself, were at well intentioned.   Not so Christianity.   Christianity does not exist in the realm of good intentioned ideas.   It exists solely in the realm of evil, and is amongst the most degrading and wickedly misanthropic ideas ever hoisted upon mankind.  Right from its earliest moments it employed some of the the most fraudulent and coercive means ever yet used to perpetrate the dominating and and bending to its own aggrandizement of the potential and capabilities of men.    

Rather than messing everything up, mankind is actually are an incredible credit to itself  because  saddled as so much of mankind had been for so long with such a blight as Christianity, it still nonetheless achieve as much as it had done.

The wickedness of Christianity is made more manifest by the fact misanthropic morons besotted by Christianity then snicker at achievements of mankind under the burden of onerous Christianity,  just so these morons can exculpate the degrading myth of a god that fucked his own mother to give himself birth so as to save his mother’s people from an alleged sin in which they had no part and was permitted by himself.

You gotta be kidding me.

(August 20, 2019 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 5:41 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: No,  the constitution’s virtues is measured only by its effects on the people.   If people easily destroyed it, then it obviously lacked the wherewithal to serve its alleged purpose, so it never really was so great an idea as it was alleged to be by those who instantly loses all sense or realism and discernment and become starry eyed when the words “constitution” and “forefathers “ are heard.

But the difference between the constitution and Christianity is one of nature, not quality.

Constitution may not have what it took to be a great idea, but its purpose, and the means it proposes to grant itself, were at well intentioned.   Not so Christianity.   Christianity does not exist in the realm of good intentioned ideas.   It exists solely in the realm of evil, and is amongst the most degrading and wickedly misanthropic ideas ever hoisted upon mankind.  Right from its earliest moments it employed some of the the most fraudulent and coercive means ever yet used to perpetrate the dominating and and bending to its own aggrandizement of the potential and capabilities of men.    

Rather than messing everything up, mankind is actually are an incredible credit to itself  because  saddled as so much of mankind had been for so long with such a blight as Christianity, it still nonetheless achieve as much as it had done.

The wickedness of Christianity is made more manifest by the fact misanthropic morons besotted by Christianity then snicker at achievements of mankind under the burden of onerous Christianity,  just so these morons can exculpate the degrading myth of a god that fucked his own mother to give himself birth so as to save his mother’s people from an alleged sin in which they had no part and was permitted by himself.

You gotta be kidding me.

I'm willing to bet he's not.

Boru

(August 20, 2019 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 5:41 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: No,  the constitution’s virtues is measured only by its effects on the people.   If people easily destroyed it, then it obviously lacked the wherewithal to serve its alleged purpose, so it never really was so great an idea as it was alleged to be by those who instantly loses all sense or realism and discernment and become starry eyed when the words “constitution” and “forefathers “ are heard.

But the difference between the constitution and Christianity is one of nature, not quality.

Constitution may not have what it took to be a great idea, but its purpose, and the means it proposes to grant itself, were at well intentioned.   Not so Christianity.   Christianity does not exist in the realm of good intentioned ideas.   It exists solely in the realm of evil, and is amongst the most degrading and wickedly misanthropic ideas ever hoisted upon mankind.  Right from its earliest moments it employed some of the the most fraudulent and coercive means ever yet used to perpetrate the dominating and and bending to its own aggrandizement of the potential and capabilities of men.    

Rather than messing everything up, mankind is actually are an incredible credit to itself  because  saddled as so much of mankind had been for so long with such a blight as Christianity, it still nonetheless achieve as much as it had done.

The wickedness of Christianity is made more manifest by the fact misanthropic morons besotted by Christianity then snicker at achievements of mankind under the burden of onerous Christianity,  just so these morons can exculpate the degrading myth of a god that fucked his own mother to give himself birth so as to save his mother’s people from an alleged sin in which they had no part and was permitted by himself.

You gotta be kidding me.

No.

Only your pathetic devotion to your fraudulent cult can be the joke here.