(August 20, 2019 at 6:14 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 5:59 pm)Lek Wrote: You gotta be kidding me.

No.

Only your pathetic devotion to your fraudulent cult can be the joke here.

I'll just allow this one to stand on its own merits.

Doesn’t really matter if someone else made the choice. I’m not big on accepting blood money either. Just retroactively deduct whatever millisecond of pain my sins cost from God Man’s account and get him down off that cross that much sooner.

Even presuming to do that for me takes a level of moral bankruptcy beyond compare.

(August 15, 2019 at 10:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really, sometimes even Christians on this forum scoff us for taking into account only the "bad" Christians. But who would be bad Christians and who good Christians?

Are bad Christians the young Earth creationists who want to abolish science in schools, as well as kill gay people, kill adulterers, kill children who disobey their parents; kill all muslims; who support Trump; are against vaccination?

And are good Christians those like Michael Moore and Stephen Colbert who want gay people to be able to get married, who love science and modern medicine, who don't like Trump?

Who is to say? Certainly I don't see "good" Christians criticizing "bad" Christians.

In all honesty, there are no "good" Christians. Only varying degrees of "bad". 

To administer Christian doctrine; aka the Gospel to anyone calling themselves "good" is immediately shot down by Jesus. Even to the point of Him saying that He isn't necessarily included, "Why do you call me good?" There is NONE good but the Father in Heaven." ...and.... "The best on earth (John the Baptist), is the least in Heaven."

So, in all reality. There are no "good" Christians according to Jesus himself! We are in a constant state of "sin". And only through Christ are we redeemed. Man cannot do anything to save himself but to submit to God, and ask for His forgiveness. And that would be pretty much daily!

As ALWAYS the beef is w/ man, and those "using" Christianity as a tool to get what they want. And that includes those [for & against] Christ!

(August 21, 2019 at 11:50 am)ronedee Wrote:

(August 15, 2019 at 10:40 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really, sometimes even Christians on this forum scoff us for taking into account only the "bad" Christians. But who would be bad Christians and who good Christians?

Are bad Christians the young Earth creationists who want to abolish science in schools, as well as kill gay people, kill adulterers, kill children who disobey their parents; kill all muslims; who support Trump; are against vaccination?

And are good Christians those like Michael Moore and Stephen Colbert who want gay people to be able to get married, who love science and modern medicine, who don't like Trump?

Who is to say? Certainly I don't see "good" Christians criticizing "bad" Christians.

In all honesty, there are no "good" Christians. Only varying degrees of "bad". 

To administer Christian doctrine; aka the Gospel to anyone calling themselves "good" is immediately shot down by Jesus. Even to the point of Him saying that He isn't necessarily included, "Why do you call me good?" There is NONE good but the Father in Heaven." ...and.... "The best on earth (John the Baptist), is the least in Heaven."

So, in all reality. There are no "good" Christians according to Jesus himself! We are in a constant state of "sin". And only through Christ are we redeemed. Man cannot do anything to save himself but to submit to God, and ask for His forgiveness. And that would be pretty much daily!

As ALWAYS the beef is w/ man, and those "using" Christianity as a tool to get what they want. And that includes those [for & against] Christ!

Exhibit one of the sickening misanthropy without which there can be no Christianity.

(August 21, 2019 at 11:25 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 11:50 am)ronedee Wrote: In all honesty, there are no "good" Christians. Only varying degrees of "bad". 

To administer Christian doctrine; aka the Gospel to anyone calling themselves "good" is immediately shot down by Jesus. Even to the point of Him saying that He isn't necessarily included, "Why do you call me good?" There is NONE good but the Father in Heaven." ...and.... "The best on earth (John the Baptist), is the least in Heaven."

So, in all reality. There are no "good" Christians according to Jesus himself! We are in a constant state of "sin". And only through Christ are we redeemed. Man cannot do anything to save himself but to submit to God, and ask for His forgiveness. And that would be pretty much daily!

As ALWAYS the beef is w/ man, and those "using" Christianity as a tool to get what they want. And that includes those [for & against] Christ!

Exhibit one of the sickening misanthropy without which there can be no Christianity.

Not really. With the proper application of Christ, there is still Hope for mankind. aka LOVE

(August 22, 2019 at 9:15 am)ronedee Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 11:25 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Exhibit one of the sickening misanthropy without which there can be no Christianity.

Not really. With the proper application of Christ, there is still Hope for mankind. aka LOVE

Right, you are full of hope for men are so misbegotten that their only imaginable source of even the most false hope can only come from a fictitious god of rather crass kind who is said to have inseminated his own mother in order to give himself birth so he could generously save her kind from “sin” which he had allegedly allowed and facilitated in the first place, and in which neither they nor their progenies had any part whatsoever, from a fate worse then dead which incidentally he himself purposed to inflict.  

The fictitious god is, BTW, as imagined by parts of this misbegotten humanity so vile so far on the wrong of distribution curve that even the rest of this misbegotten humanity would have found them singularly loathsome were it not for the facade of “prophet”, “apostle” or “saint” with which they disguised  their diseased psychologies.

That’s the proper application of “Christ” you had in mind?

(August 22, 2019 at 9:43 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 22, 2019 at 9:15 am)ronedee Wrote: Not really. With the proper application of Christ, there is still Hope for mankind. aka LOVE

Right, men are so misbegotten their only possible source of even the most false hope possible can only comes from a fictitious god who fucked his own mother to give himself birth so as to save her kind from “sin” in which they individually had no part and which he allowed, a fictitious god, BTW, as imagined by members of this misbegotten humanity so vile that even the rest of this misbegotten humanity would have found found them loathsome were it not for the facade of “prophet”, “apostle” or “saint” with which they disguised  their diseased psychologies.

That’s the proper application of “Christ” you had in mind?

No. Your application isn't one of any real Hope or Love. Just bitter disregard for any Truth in the message of Christ. You are entitled to your opinion, I'm sure through your own experiences in life. Just as I am mine. But, I won't venomously shoot yours up with holes. You have your mind pretty much made up considering your ever present, pat response to Christianity. Which btw is more fiction than any perception of it could be. But, it has theater value I suppose.

Not surprisingly, what you may be lacking is openness to any new information that will change your views... or at least your attitude about Christ. This is where we differ. I'm open to all facts and change. I could give you reasons "for" Christ, if I thought it would get through. But, I know better. At least for the time being. Just chime in when you feel the need!

Interesting question. I would argue that there are no true Christians left anymore. Or at least, very few. The best Christians are probably the fundie fanatics. The people who take the Bible literally, hate the gays and the Jews, call for people to repent and stand outside protesting Planned Parenthood and the like. They're keeping it real, at least.

The most likeable or well-behaved Christians are probably the worst at being real Christians, unfortunately.

I prefer the company of the latter much more than the former.

(August 22, 2019 at 8:42 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: The people who take the Bible literally, hate the gays and the Jews, call for people to repent and stand outside protesting Planned Parenthood and the like. They're keeping it real, at least.

What makes you think that Real Christianity consists of these things? 

Do you mean that the earliest Christians did this, therefore it's somehow basic? Or are there undeniable essential tenets of Christianity which make these things True Christianity? 

Do Christians who don't take the Bible literally, don't hate the gays and the Jews, don't call for people to repent and stand outside protesting Planned Parenthood not qualify as Real Christians in your judgment? Even if they think that they are?

(August 22, 2019 at 8:49 pm)Belaqua Wrote:

(August 22, 2019 at 8:42 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: The people who take the Bible literally, hate the gays and the Jews, call for people to repent and stand outside protesting Planned Parenthood and the like. They're keeping it real, at least.

What makes you think that Real Christianity consists of these things? 

Do you mean that the earliest Christians did this, therefore it's somehow basic? Or are there undeniable essential tenets of Christianity which make these things True Christianity? 

Do Christians who don't take the Bible literally, don't hate the gays and the Jews, don't call for people to repent and stand outside protesting Planned Parenthood not qualify as Real Christians in your judgment? Even if they think that they are?

I mean, have you read the book? Despite all of the glaring contradictions you could point, it's a pretty hateful, intolerant work. Ridiculously violent and angry.

When you create a thing and give it a definition, but, over time, that thing becomes something else entirely, you usually change the name of that thing. A tadpole becomes a frog. You don't continue to call it a tadpole just because that was its original name.