(August 23, 2019 at 4:09 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(August 23, 2019 at 7:46 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: So you are against abortion?
So you are against euthanasia?
So you don't have problem with Trump's draft dodging?
Do you think that taxation is theft(some people think so) or that private property is theft and must be abolished/nationalized(some other people also think so)?

What does it matter to you? If God said abortion is good, then abortion can be good.

Oddly enough, god endorses abortion in the bible.

(August 21, 2019 at 9:07 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(August 20, 2019 at 11:34 am)Simon Moon Wrote: And this, folks, is just one small example of just how immoral religions are.

Your subjective views on morality are irrelevant to people who believe in all-powerful creator of the universe

And your claims of an all powerful dictator of the universe and its rules are irrelevant to those who don’t believe in one, or believe in a different one.

(August 23, 2019 at 4:16 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: [quote='Gae Bolga' pid='1928632' dateline='1566585818']
We’ve gone over this countless times.  Someone else’s necessarily subjective level of motivation does not effect a moral schema.  If it’s true, and someone rejects it, it’s still true.  People reject the truth with regularity, lol.

So, yes, if don’t harm do help is an accurate description of what we’re talking about with morality and normative statements....then to decide otherwise would be to choose a pleasant fiction.

Which people can, and do......do.  Moral failure.

Because most of what passes for objective morality here is just gooblygook, hence why folks like yourself can’t even answer fairly straight forward questions, and why Gae can’t distinguish his defense of moral realism, from my satiric pizza taste realism.

(August 23, 2019 at 3:59 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Exactly how many abortions are performed using this procedure

Even one such abortion contradicts your claim that cutting heads is bad.

Quote:Again dishonest. Euthanasia is not a monolith.

You said that life is preferable to death.

Quote:Trump was not dodging slavery. By definition, slavery cannot be dodged.

By definition, coscription is a form of slavery.

Quote:Do you think it would be fair then if you could refuse to pay your taxes

Right libertarians and objectists(many of them are atheists) would say that it would be fair.

Quote:Nice guy.

God wants me to be obidient. Being nice is optional.

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(August 23, 2019 at 4:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(August 21, 2019 at 9:07 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Your subjective views on morality are irrelevant to people who believe in all-powerful creator of the universe

And your claims of an all powerful dictator of the universe and its rules are irrelevant to those who don’t believe in one

Luckily such people are shrinking minority.

(August 24, 2019 at 5:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(August 23, 2019 at 3:59 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Exactly how many abortions are performed using this procedure

Even one such abortion contradicts your claim that cutting heads is bad.

I didn't make that claim. You didn't answer my question. More dishonesty.

(August 24, 2019 at 5:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:Again dishonest. Euthanasia is not a monolith.

You said that life is preferable to death.

That was Simon Moon. I happen to disagree that life is always preferable to death. The simple fact that you are unable to distinguish between different members indicates that you are a moron.

(August 24, 2019 at 5:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:Trump was not dodging slavery. By definition, slavery cannot be dodged.

By definition, coscription is a form of slavery.

Nope.

(August 24, 2019 at 5:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:Do you think it would be fair then if you could refuse to pay your taxes

Right libertarians and objectists(many of them are atheists) would say that it  would be fair.

Quote:Nice guy.

God wants me to be obidient. Being nice is optional.

For you, it is impossible. You are a religious thug.

(August 23, 2019 at 4:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: And your claims of an all powerful dictator of the universe and its rules are irrelevant to those who don’t believe in one

Luckily such people are shrinking minority.
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Flat out wrong.

(August 24, 2019 at 5:04 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(August 23, 2019 at 3:59 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Exactly how many abortions are performed using this procedure

Even one such abortion contradicts your claim that cutting heads is bad.

Quote:Again dishonest. Euthanasia is not a monolith.

You said that life is preferable to death.

Quote:Trump was not dodging slavery. By definition, slavery cannot be dodged.

By definition, coscription is a form of slavery.

Quote:Do you think it would be fair then if you could refuse to pay your taxes

Right libertarians and objectists(many of them are atheists) would say that it would be fair.

Quote:Nice guy.

God wants me to be obidient. Being nice is optional.

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(August 23, 2019 at 4:24 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: And your claims of an all powerful dictator of the universe and its rules are irrelevant to those who don’t believe in one

Luckily such people are shrinking minority.

Fastest growing opinion of religion in rhe western world

(August 24, 2019 at 5:35 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: That was Simon Moon. I happen to disagree

So there is no objective morality, every atheist has his own opinion.

Quote:Nope.

And earth is flat.

Quote:For you, it is impossible. You are a religious thug.

It is impossible to be nice to atheists that killed 100 million people

Quote:Flat out wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Quote:However, other earlier global studies have indicated that global atheism may be in decline due to irreligious countries having the lowest birth rates in the world and religious countries having higher birth rates in general.

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(August 24, 2019 at 5:35 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: That was Simon Moon. I happen to disagree

So there is no objective morality, every atheist has his own opinion.

Sure. But you dishonestly shifted from the general to the specific.

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:Nope.

And earth is flat.

Only morons believe the earth is flat. Are you a moron?

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:For you, it is impossible. You are a religious thug.

It is impossible to be nice to atheists that killed 100 million people

So your religious genocide is OK? Are you really proposing such moral naivete.

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:Flat out wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Quote:

Atheism is growing faster that islam. Christianity is fighting an unwinnable retreat. You can deny reality all you want. Reality does not care.
[quote='Dmitry1983' pid='1928873' dateline='1566712116']However, other earlier global studies have indicated that global atheism may be in decline due to irreligious countries having the lowest birth rates in the world and religious countries having higher birth rates in general.

Garbage.

(August 25, 2019 at 8:02 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: But you dishonestly shifted from the general to the specific.

Nowhere in original post it was written that there are specific cases where cutting heads is ok.

Quote:Only morons believe the earth is flat. Are you a moron?

It is obvious to me that conscription is slavery just like it is obvious to you that earth is round.

Quote:So your religious genocide is OK?

Yes, it was will of God.

Quote:

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: However, other earlier global studies have indicated that global atheism may be in decline due to irreligious countries having the lowest birth rates in the world and religious countries having higher birth rates in general.

Garbage.

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

(August 24, 2019 at 5:35 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: That was Simon Moon. I happen to disagree

So there is no objective morality, every atheist has his own opinion.

And now you are derailing into a whole other topic. Your attempt at deflection is obvious.

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:Nope.

And earth is flat.

That is what your magic book says.

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:For you, it is impossible. You are a religious thug.

It is impossible to be nice to atheists that killed 100 million people

Which atheists would those be?

(August 25, 2019 at 1:48 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote:

Quote:Flat out wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Quote:However, other earlier global studies have indicated that global atheism may be in decline due to irreligious countries having the lowest birth rates in the world and religious countries having higher birth rates in general.

Nice cherry picking.