Waste of time, mate.

(October 22, 2019 at 2:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(October 21, 2019 at 9:11 pm)Dmitry1983 Wrote: God did create perfect world. It's called Heaven.

Of course all the following questions are stated for arguments sake only, since I disbelieve that any afterlife exists.

Is there free will in Heaven?

If so, then people are still free to act immorally in Heaven, and therefore, it is not a perfect world.

If people are unable to act immoral in Heaven, then there is no free will in Heaven, and therefore, it is not a perfect world.

If god is able to create a perfect world, like heaven, then why didn't he just do it here on earth?

Or, why didn't he just create Heaven, with the souls of those he wanted to spend eternity with in the first place?

Instead, what he did, is create the entire universe to be nothing more than a 'soul filtering machine', just to weed out those souls that he didn't want to have in Heaven in the first place. But doesn't everything happen according to god's plan? So, he knew ahead of time, which souls would end up in heaven, and which wouldn't. So, in other words, he purposely created billions upon billions of souls, knowing ahead of time which ones would be rewarded be going to heaven, and which ones would't.

What an inept deity.

God doesn't logic.

(October 22, 2019 at 3:03 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 22, 2019 at 2:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Of course all the following questions are stated for arguments sake only, since I disbelieve that any afterlife exists.

Is there free will in Heaven?

If so, then people are still free to act immorally in Heaven, and therefore, it is not a perfect world.

If people are unable to act immoral in Heaven, then there is no free will in Heaven, and therefore, it is not a perfect world.

If god is able to create a perfect world, like heaven, then why didn't he just do it here on earth?

Or, why didn't he just create Heaven, with the souls of those he wanted to spend eternity with in the first place?

Instead, what he did, is create the entire universe to be nothing more than a 'soul filtering machine', just to weed out those souls that he didn't want to have in Heaven in the first place. But doesn't everything happen according to god's plan? So, he knew ahead of time, which souls would end up in heaven, and which wouldn't. So, in other words, he purposely created billions upon billions of souls, knowing ahead of time which ones would be rewarded be going to heaven, and which ones would't.

What an inept deity.

God doesn't logic.

God doesn't god.

Atlas why are you so insistent on changing the meaning of the quran? I mean it's supposed to be the perfect document, yet you are insisting that the "moon split" legend is about how the moon formed rather than a story about the moon splitting down the middle on the orders of Mohammed to convert pagans, which is what the book's (9th century) writers clearly meant.

Yeh I encountered this on Islamic forums years and years ago.


The moon as far as I can tell from videos and what I've read was formed by vaporized rock from an impact between Earth and another planet.  That whole event doesn't involve an existing moon and it being split.  In fact not only does it not involve an existing moon being split, it's pretty much the exact opposite thing happening, the moon is being formed, drawn together, becoming one thing, which is the moon. 

Another thing to say is that most translations of the quran say specifically "Split in two" which takes it even further away from being about the creation of the moon, which doesn't involve a moon splitting anyway.

And in the very next verse it talks about people seeing a sign and relates it to the first verse.  "Yet when they see a sign...."  

Also let's say we go into the land of fantasy and say the quran is talking about the creation of the moon why is it talking about people seeing signs involving this in the next verse?  That would involve humans being on Earth during this impact and during the creation of the moon and observing it.

I split the moon, twice, last week.
What else can he do?

Junior, you need artillery to anger me. What you engender is a deep sadness for the human race. Your kind is a cancer.

(October 23, 2019 at 6:16 am)Little lunch Wrote: I split the moon, twice, last week.
What else can he do?

You need more fibre in your diet.

(October 23, 2019 at 12:34 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(October 23, 2019 at 6:16 am)Little lunch Wrote: I split the moon, twice, last week.
What else can he do?

You need more fibre in your diet.

Or spectacles. Or a least a consult with a qualified optician.