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Tom Fearnley · (This post was last modified: November 24, 2019 at 11:22 pm by Tom Fearnley.)

(November 24, 2019 at 11:08 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: You know, there are studies that show plants respond to pain and outside stimuli.

Animals in the wild have the advantage if being abl to run away.

I don't believe that: Pain comes from the brain and central nervous system: Plants don't have those.

Have you watched Earthling Ed on YouTube?

**The Valkyrie** · November 24, 2019 at 11:25 pm

(November 24, 2019 at 11:20 pm)Tom Fearnley Wrote:
(November 24, 2019 at 11:08 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: You know, there are studies that show plants respond to pain and outside stimuli.

Animals in the wild have the advantage if being abl to run away.

I don't believe that: Pain comes from the brain and central nervous system: Plants don't have those.

Have you watched Earthling Ed on YouTube?

But what we believe and what are facts are often two different things.

Who?

**The Grand Nudger**

Plants do exhibit behaviors, they communicate, they plan, they gamble their lives and prey on each other, they even scream in what we would call fear and pain..if we were the ones doing it. Still, the behaviors of animals like us are more forceful in their effect on us as we witness them.

Chances are a tomato doesn't feel what you feel..but then again, neither do cattle.

I doubt that it would make anyone put down a baked potato, but plant behavior is pretty cool. You should check it out just for shits and giggles when you're bored.

Tom Fearnley · November 24, 2019 at 11:31 pm

Earthling Ed is a vegan on You Tube who debates meat eaters.

It's a fact that pain comes from the brain.

**The Grand Nudger**

Human pain, sure. Like most everything about us, it's not impossible to find analogs elsewhere in life.

BrokenQuill92 · November 24, 2019 at 11:35 pm

https://afropunk.com/2017/10/vegans-worr...y-cruelty/

I’ll just leave this here

Tom Fearnley · November 24, 2019 at 11:35 pm

So really there's been no big scientific study to show that veganism would solve world hunger, that's what I'm getting here when I look for information.

**The Grand Nudger**

No, there's been no such study, and the notion is false on it's face. We're not starving because the animals are eating all the food. They -are- food, and we have plenty more where that came from.

As I've recently told another member of the boards wondering about the same thing..people compete with other people for things to put on their plates, not with livestock. You don't have to look much further than India for a depressing example of that. Country full of vegetarians, cattle wandering the streets, major beef exporter........

...........and soul crushing hunger.

Tom Fearnley · (This post was last modified: November 24, 2019 at 11:41 pm by Tom Fearnley.)

(November 24, 2019 at 11:35 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: https://afropunk.com/2017/10/vegans-worr...y-cruelty/

I’ll just leave this here

Good link.

Okay so veganism might not or wouldn't end world hunger.

Do animals feel pain when executed is the next question? They are electrocuted and bolted: How long does it take them to die? Would you say they suffer badly?

**The Grand Nudger**

It's a pleasant fiction used to market a lifestyle choice to you, one that depends on products coming from the very places where people are starving.

Is that clear enough?

On to the next. Done properly, animals either die instantly, or die anesthetized. They still die, though. No way around that. They die young, before their growth rates taper off, and most of them don't live very well.

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