Try as you might, your turd polish will not sell here. Nor will that raw sewage you attemp to pass off as substance to be revered.

(December 1, 2019 at 7:51 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: If a just God exists, the answers  should be already there. Here's how : a just God would make his message accessible to anyone at any time. It's perfectly unfair of God to reveal the true purpose in the universe in 2050, because then people who died before desperately looking for answers literally had no way of reaching the truth.

If you were actually giving religions balanced treatment this line of questioning would lead you to wonder why God Allmighty is mucking about with mortal Prophets to deliver His Message. It isn't as if He couldn't just have His Message boom from the sky on 24/7 auto-repeat or simply have you born knowing it. Instead, God seems to deliver His Message to a single mortal every few centuries or so. Given the wars that this has led to within and between religions this is clearly a Failed System. As you have dismissed Christianity and Judaism, we may now dismiss Islam for the patent nonsense that it is.

(December 1, 2019 at 7:29 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Using extremes such as Nazism, Mein Kampf and such, just to dimiss our religion as garbage before reading its book, is hardly more than garbage claims.

Also, the link provided says some countries consider apostasy, and not atheism per se, to be a crime. Apostasy is the religious equivalent of treason in common law.

Considering that you approve death for apostasy tells me that Islam is garbage and that Islamic doctrine is very similar to one found in "Mein Kampf".

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: You don't get to choose how truth might be revealed to you. Instead one should get up and look actively for answers, which isn't the case with atheists when dealing with Islam.

I am looking, but i am not gullible like you, thats the difference. Just because i dont have answers for everything doesnt mean im gonna make up shit, or accept shit others have made up, like you.

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: What about embracing the most reasonable ones meanwhile instead of pretending there is none ?

First it was "satisfactory" answers, now its "reasonable". Why the backpedaling? I still stick to answers that are (demonstrably) correct, you stick to "my holy book saz so, therefore: reasonable", ok?
I am not pretending there arent answers, you are pretending there are! All the time. Because of your gullibility.

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Too serious for you, But not serious enough to get you to pick the holy book and check how good it is, how sad.

The only sad thing is your ignorance and the gullibility you are demonstrating over and over.
I know enough about your holy book to know its #1 nonsense and #2 repugnant:
Women being inherently less worth than men?
Gosts talking to people?
Moons splitting in half?
Death to apostates?

Thanks, but no thanks.

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: I guess I'm not the only ignoramus in town.

Correct, there is another muslim on the forum, you already have met him. He is just as much a nutter as you are, and probably more ignorant (if thats even possible). On top of that he has allowed his religion to make him a racist and hypocrite, amongst other things. If thats what your religion makes of people: Thanks, but no thanks.

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: You'll get an (eternal) afterlife either way.

Boring, thanks, but no thanks, ill leave that silly carrot on a stick to fools like you, who are thinking that fucking 70 virgins for ever is gonna be lots of fun. Spoiler: They wont be virgins for long.

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: It's up to you to determine how comfortable it will be.

Well, first please demonstrate that you arent pulling all of this out of your ass, like everything else.
Still, how can a fucking eternity be comfortable? What are you gonna do after 10^10^10^10^10 years? Just happily frolicking around and praising Allah after you are done with your 70 virgins? Bo.ring.

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: And I hope you're not against the idea of submission per se, because a deity who created me deserves worship because of its act of creating me.

Does it? Do you worship your parents?

Time to embrace Islam? That's gonna have to be a hard "no" from me. 
Absolutely not.

If I were of the mind to believe in creator deities I would think it more "sensible" to assume that life originated from the Universal Womb of a Great Goddess Mother.
Or even as the result of a genderless Creator, perhaps. 

But embracing ANY bullshit androcentric doctrine that commands me to bow to dick just because it dangles would simply be out of the question. 
Obvious attempts to control women are obvious.

Why are Islamic extremists so violent?
If Islam was a religion of peace the extremists would all be the nicest people around. Instead we have to jab them with Narwhal tusks just to stop them stabbing us.

(December 1, 2019 at 10:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: If you were actually giving religions balanced treatment this line of questioning would lead you to wonder why God Allmighty is mucking about with mortal Prophets to deliver His Message.

Considering how many religious people are there today thanks to these mortal Prophets, including two damn billion people because of the Islamic prophet, God's way isn't as hidden as you blatantly claim here is it ?

(December 1, 2019 at 10:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: It isn't as if He couldn't just have His Message boom from the sky on 24/7 auto-repeat or simply have you born knowing it.

Many standard religious arguments establish this is the case, we are born with a very strong predisposition toward religious belief, it's not hard to find scholarly articles supporting that. As of the message booming from the sky 24/7 part, you already have a damn sky above you and a world built in an orderly fashion, that is the message, some might argue.

If there was actually a magical line from the sky with the words of God coming down through it, a couple of scientists will figure out the laws that govern the magical line, and boom the a-line-ism community is born, the magical line is just is.

(December 1, 2019 at 10:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Given the wars that this has led to within and between religions this is clearly a Failed System.

People went to much more devastating wars even with the absence of religious reasons.

(December 1, 2019 at 10:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: As you have dismissed Christianity and Judaism, we may now dismiss Islam for the patent nonsense that it is.

I gave good reasons that you didn't refute to dimiss each. It's your turn to give a good reason to dismiss Islam, aside from empty claims.

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(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(December 1, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: You don't get to choose how truth might be revealed to you. Instead one should get up and look actively for answers, which isn't the case with atheists when dealing with Islam.

I am looking, but i am not gullible like you, thats the difference. Just because i dont have answers for everything doesnt mean im gonna make up shit, or accept shit others have made up, like you.

Ah, you're looking, meanwhile you're calling the Islamic message shit.

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: First it was "satisfactory" answers, now its "reasonable". Why the backpedaling? I still stick to answers that are (demonstrably) correct, you stick to "my holy book saz so, therefore: reasonable", ok?
I am not pretending there arent answers, you are pretending there are! All the time. Because of your gullibility

You didn't address any of the arguments made in this post. You're kindly asked to read what was said about the isnad and Muhammad's challenge to his contemporaries.

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: The only sad thing is your ignorance and the gullibility you are demonstrating over and over.
I know enough about your holy book to know its #1 nonsense and #2 repugnant:
Women being inherently less worth than men?
Gosts talking to people?
Moons splitting in half?
Death to apostates?

You never get tired of the old stereotypes people. Let's start with an example, men are on average physically stronger than women, so yes, women do fucking display inherently less traits than men. And no, they aren't less worth than men, this is unexistent in the Qur'an.

As a result of their fucking biological differences, and because women are sometimes pregnant, deal with substantial mood swings that affect their judgment, and men, well, don't menstruate, God gave men the rights adapted to their fucking biological ability, got it ?

Death to apostates isn't in the Qur'an anywhere, so no, you don't know enough about my holy book.

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Correct, there is another muslim on the forum, you already have met him. He is just as much a nutter as you are, and probably more ignorant (if thats even possible). On top of that he has allowed his religion to make him a racist and hypocrite, amongst other things. If thats what your religion makes of people: Thanks, but no thanks.

Tell that to him not me, Islam by the way doesn't allow talking of someone behind of his back, even if it's on forum, did your moral systems ever reach that?

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Boring, thanks, but no thanks, ill leave that silly carrot on a stick to fools like you, who are thinking that fucking 70 virgins for ever is gonna be lots of fun. Spoiler: They wont be virgins for long.

Yeah, the hadith reporting that is not authentic. You don't know anything about our religion besides common stereotypes, I suggest you keep looking.

I know your religion is complete bullshit. I also know you are not even as bright as a wet match in a dark room.

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Ah, you're looking, meanwhile you're calling the Islamic message shit.

No reason to think any of it is true, and if so, its repugnant. What part of this do you not understand?

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: First it was "satisfactory" answers, now its "reasonable". Why the backpedaling? I still stick to answers that are (demonstrably) correct, you stick to "my holy book saz so, therefore: reasonable", ok?
I am not pretending there arent answers, you are pretending there are! All the time. Because of your gullibility

You didn't address any of the arguments made in this post. You're kindly asked to read what was said about the isnad and Muhammad's challenge to his contemporaries.

You didnt adress any of my objections in the first place. Please adress them.

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: The only sad thing is your ignorance and the gullibility you are demonstrating over and over.
I know enough about your holy book to know its #1 nonsense and #2 repugnant:
Women being inherently less worth than men?
Gosts talking to people?
Moons splitting in half?
Death to apostates?

You never get tired of the old stereotypes people. Let's start with an example, men are on average physically stronger than women, so yes, women do fucking display inherently less traits than men.

And i am getting tired of the same old strawmen. I am talking about the law treating women equal to men. A concept which your god and holy book obviously are oblivious of.

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote: As a result of their fucking biological differences, and because women are sometimes pregnant, deal with substantial mood swings that affect their judgment, and men, well, don't menstruate, God gave men the rights adapted to their fucking biological ability, got it ?

And thats why they shouldnt have equal rights? You and your god are misogynists.
Why all the swearing? Are you in a mood? Are you a female? Is it this special time of the month?

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote: And no, they aren't less worth than men, this is unexistent in the Qur'an.

Looks like someone needs to have a closer look at what he just wrote (see above)

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Death to apostates isn't in the Qur'an anywhere, so no, you don't know enough about my holy book.

Most muslims in the world disagree with you, as does your holy book. Now, whom do i believe?  

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Correct, there is another muslim on the forum, you already have met him. He is just as much a nutter as you are, and probably more ignorant (if thats even possible). On top of that he has allowed his religion to make him a racist and hypocrite, amongst other things. If thats what your religion makes of people: Thanks, but no thanks.

Tell that to him not me, Islam by the way doesn't allow talking of someone behind of his back, even if it's on forum, did your moral systems ever reach that?

Ohhh, i have already told him what he is, and i demonstrated why it is true. Dont worry.
I bet we will get you to that point as well. We already have established that you are a misogynist and havent read your holy book very well. Lets see what we can find out else about you.

(December 2, 2019 at 8:06 am)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 2, 2019 at 2:44 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Boring, thanks, but no thanks, ill leave that silly carrot on a stick to fools like you, who are thinking that fucking 70 virgins for ever is gonna be lots of fun. Spoiler: They wont be virgins for long.

Yeah, the hadith reporting that is not authentic. You don't know anything about our religion besides common stereotypes, I suggest you keep looking.

Not authentic, according to whom? You? A misogynist?

Quote:If a just God exists, the answers should be already there. Here's how : a just God would make his message accessible to anyone at any time. It's perfectly unfair of God to reveal the true purpose in the universe in 2050, because then people who died before desperately looking for answers literally had no way of reaching the truth.

Then why wasn't it 'perfectly unfair' of God to not reveal the Quran before 632?

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