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[Serious] Time to embrace Islam!
RE: Time to embrace Islam!
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RE: Time to embrace Islam!
(December 20, 2019 at 3:36 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(December 20, 2019 at 1:14 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m still waiting for a @Klorophyll to address his circular argument. 😏

There is no circularity involved, you mistakenly think the holy book of Islam is just a claim, ignoring the fact that there was an unanswered challenge made by Muhammad to his followers. The book is the finest work in his language, the most prominent translation of the book [ The Koran interpreted, John Arberry] acknowledges our orthodox view that the book cannot be translated but only interpreted, hence the choice of the title.  Quote from Mr.Arberry : "It may be affirmed that within the literature of the Arabs, wide and fecund as it is both in poetry and in elevated prose, there is nothing to compare with it".

So? That doesn’t make it evidence that a god exists, lol.

Quote:Our claim that the Qur'an is incomparable comes then from expert judgment, accurate tradition [cf. authentic hadiths according to the rules of Isnad] tells us Muhammad actually improvised the whole Qur'an. The verses came according to the particular situation Muhammad found himself in.

That’s nice. Good for him. That doesn’t make the book evidence that a god inspired the book. That would be circular reasoning.

Quote:No one can improvise a masterful piece of art no matter how good.

Unevidenced assertion.

Quote: All that aside , how can the prophet threaten all the Meccan cultural heritage with his new book *of claims*, namely by insulting their gods, knowing these guys are highly proficient with their native language, and yet receive no answer at all?

Why are asking me? Why are you asking any questions at all? You’re supposed to be busy providing all your external, corroborating evidence that the Quran is true. 

Quote:It is well known that Arab tribes were meeting at the famous Souq Okadh to announce treatises and hold poetry competitions. The latter were instrumental, together with the Qur'an, in formalizing Arabic grammar and syntax. What's expected of them is to turn his literary challenge into a joke, as was the case with anyone who dares to present himself as the brightest orator of his tribe. Pre-islamic poetry was already very sophisticated, and a fully developed system of thematic sequence.
This didn't happen with any other "holy book", the Bible we have is a collection of dubious translations where the sayings of Jesus are no longer distinguishable of what Paul might have added to them.

Cool story, Bro. So, do you have any external, corroborating evidence that the claims of divinity in the Quran are true...or...?

Quote:So the key thing here is to delve deeper into  what the pre-Islamic arabia was like, in order to understand why the Qur'an is indeed miraculous in its own right, instead of lazily suspending judgement, or worse, misinformedly insulting the book, as is often the case in these forums. So there is some homework to do for the serious researcher, there are no arguments ready to be spoon-fed to people who are unwilling to rethink the stereotypes.

So, no evidence then. Thanks for trying, I guess. For what it’s worth, I think you’re a troll.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 

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