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(December 9, 2019 at 8:56 pm)no one Wrote: This guy:
People toss the "racist"  term around without restraint. In short, its genuine value is muddled. There is only one race of people on this planet, the human one. I hate them all, I am a racist in the most accurate sense.

Athene:
I hope that wasn't in response to my post that was directly above this, because if it was you are sorely mistaken. See, when I toss around the term 'racist' it's because actually warranted. 

Unfortunately, White Supremacy is deeply ingrained in the American psyche. Thus, racist bullshit is extremely prevalent in the US.
That's just the truth.

Now, if that's not something you'd normally be inclined to worry yourself with, I get it. Don't.
That's fine by me. Honestly.
And if you'd like to blame any apathy on your part, future intrusive thoughts, unsavory affiliations, a 2020 vote for Trump, drugs use, high lipid count, potholes or whatever on folks recognizing racist fuckery and calling it what it is, that's fine with me too. Whatever floats your boat.

The show will go on, though.

It seems maybe my point has been missed.
Planet Earth has one, and only one race of people on it, the human one.
Sure, asshattery and blind hatred run rampant through the species. Humans are stupid. Very, very stupid.
The species love to dissect themselves countless insignificant little bundles.
There are only 2 types of people, cool ones, and assholes. It's just that simple.

Yeah, some people are racist assholes, though. Some are stupid assholes. Some are dismissive..lol
And some are dangerous. 

"Race" is quite real, as a social construct at the very least. In that sense, it is indeed a reality--One that many of us simply don't have the luxury of pretending doesn't exist.

So if my specificity in using the word "racist" triggers you and makes you feel personally attacked somehow, I don't what to say.
I can't help you.

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(December 9, 2019 at 6:53 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(December 9, 2019 at 2:58 am)Athene Wrote: First of all, we are NOT our grandparents, OLB and we are NOT obligated to "show our papers" any random White citizen who demands it--Particularly if we're not guilty of anything other walking and breathing while being Black. 

This a delusion you suffer from, resulting from the disease of racism.

Zimmerman had no good reason for stalking and accosting the teen. Martin, however DID have good reason to be concerned for his safety and well-being. He was being being stalked by a creepy fucking weirdo who may very well have initiated the physical altercation, who knows? All we have is that sack of shit Zimmerman's word. Dead men tell no tales.

Sentiments as to what warrants self-defense constantly shift for folks like you, dependent on the melanin content (or immigrant status) of the parties involved. I guarantee if a Black or Brown stranger started stalking/chasing your ass down a dark street at night, you'd feel thoroughly justified in popping a few caps in them preemptively instead of waiting to be attacked....."I can and will exercise the right to stand muh ground! "
Yet Martin reacting with force was "unacceptable". Lol...savage, even.

You motherfuckers are full shit and everyone knows it. You know it too. 
Yet you still insist on pretending you're capable of objectivity, fairness or justice when it comes to such matters. It's fucking hilarious.

Assdork.

You just don't fucking get it.

You NEVER have the right to physically assault someone. Period. Full STOP.  End of story.

It.doesn't make a mothetfucking bit of difference what bad language is used or how badly you are offended.
It doesn't matter if someone slanders you, your mother, your sex,  color or what planet you're from.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PHYSICALLY ASSAULT SOMEONE IN RETALIATION TO SPEACH.

I don't give a fuck for your childish schoolyard rules by which you would like the world to abide by.

The grownups here are talking about the.law

The law is - if you physically assault someone - and they believe they are in danger of being injured or killed - they can use any means available to force you to stop your assault.


Your schoolyard rules do not apply.

Uh-huh. 

So, if you're chased down and confronted by an unknown stalker in the dark of night as a fine hu-White citizen, are you drawing your gun or making any attempt to defend yourself or not?

What say ye? 
You lying, hypocritical, racist sack of shit. 

(December 10, 2019 at 1:30 am)Athene Wrote:

(December 9, 2019 at 8:56 pm)no one Wrote: This guy:
People toss the "racist"  term around without restraint. In short, its genuine value is muddled. There is only one race of people on this planet, the human one. I hate them all, I am a racist in the most accurate sense.

Athene:
I hope that wasn't in response to my post that was directly above this, because if it was you are sorely mistaken. See, when I toss around the term 'racist' it's because actually warranted. 

Unfortunately, White Supremacy is deeply ingrained in the American psyche. Thus, racist bullshit is extremely prevalent in the US.
That's just the truth.

Now, if that's not something you'd normally be inclined to worry yourself with, I get it. Don't.
That's fine by me. Honestly.
And if you'd like to blame any apathy on your part, future intrusive thoughts, unsavory affiliations, a 2020 vote for Trump, drugs use, high lipid count, potholes or whatever on folks recognizing racist fuckery and calling it what it is, that's fine with me too. Whatever floats your boat.

The show will go on, though.

It seems maybe my point has been missed.
Planet Earth has one, and only one race of people on it, the human one.
Sure, asshattery and blind hatred run rampant through the species. Humans are stupid. Very, very stupid.
The species love to dissect themselves countless insignificant little bundles.
There are only 2 types of people, cool ones, and assholes. It's just that simple.

Yeah, some people are racist assholes, though. Some are stupid assholes. Some are dismissive..lol
And some are dangerous. 

"Race" is quite real, as a social construct at the very least. In that sense, it is indeed a reality--One that many of us simply don't have the luxury of pretending doesn't exist.

So if my specificity in using the word "racist" triggers you and makes you feel personally attacked somehow, I don't what to say.
I can't help you.

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(December 9, 2019 at 6:53 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Assdork.

You just don't fucking get it.

You NEVER have the right to physically assault someone. Period. Full STOP.  End of story.

It.doesn't make a mothetfucking bit of difference what bad language is used or how badly you are offended.
It doesn't matter if someone slanders you, your mother, your sex,  color or what planet you're from.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO PHYSICALLY ASSAULT SOMEONE IN RETALIATION TO SPEACH.

I don't give a fuck for your childish schoolyard rules by which you would like the world to abide by.

The grownups here are talking about the.law

The law is - if you physically assault someone - and they believe they are in danger of being injured or killed - they can use any means available to force you to stop your assault.


Your schoolyard rules do not apply.

Uh-huh. 

So, if you're chased down and confronted by an unknown stalker in the dark of night as a fine hu-White citizen, are you drawing your gun or making any attempt to defend yourself or not?

What say ye? 
You lying, hypocritical, racist sack of shit. 

and you are a childish prat who is throwing a hissy fit when confronted with the fact that the laws of this world don't conform to some twisted ideal you have cooked up in your drug addled head.

Grow the fuck up.

(December 9, 2019 at 10:53 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Well, of course, it should be noted that Hispanic/Latino is not listed as its own race on the US Census (due in no small part for how complicated the issue of race can be, especially in Latin America; just look at Cameron Diaz and Celia Cruz, both Latin, though one looked more black than brown, and the other could probably fit under Hitler's Aryan ideal, and then, looking at how Brazil approaches whiteness, it all gets even more muddled).

And it shouldn't matter what race Zimmerman identifies as, because the fact is, what you have is a guy who wants to be a cop, and stalked and shot a 17-year-old kid because he thought he could be a threat, and he was wrong about that. And that kid's dead. And in a vacuum, that should be enough to have him punished.

But, that can't be the case, because centuries ago, Europeans decided to colonise the newly-discovered Western hemisphere, and decided to abduct and enslave people from another continent, and kept them in chains for centuries more, and even when we decided maybe making them slaves was a bad idea, we still did a shitty job of trying to integrate them into society (indeed, we kept them out as much as possible and left them in a condition that wasn't much better than slavery), and even as the law changed and told them we have to at least try and do a better job and even as it's become clear that race is just a made-up concept that we created to fuck people over, we can't unring that bell. Now we have a cycle of poverty and laws being disproportionately enforced on them that's conditioned many to think darker skin colour is threatening. And, because of that, a lot of black people have died the same way Trayvon did at the hands of much less ethnically ambiguous men. And though we know as a society (or at least we should know it) that it shouldn't matter, it still does.

Okay, but what I said still stands - if Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic, or Latino, I see no reason to doubt that. The fact that Trayvon Martin was a young black man likely played into him being killed, but I won't pretend to know what was in Zimmerman's head, so who knows? So, all of the talk about racial disparity and this and that is interesting, but at the end of the day, a young boy was killed at the hands of some neighborhood watch douche bag.

Quote:and you are a childish prat who is throwing a hissy fit when confronted with the fact that the laws of this world don't conform to some twisted ideal you have cooked up in your drug addled head.

Grow the fuck up.

Nah your just a warped mind who confuses law with right

(December 10, 2019 at 9:10 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:and you are a childish prat who is throwing a hissy fit when confronted with the fact that the laws of this world don't conform to some twisted ideal you have cooked up in your drug addled head.

Grow the fuck up.

Nah your just a warped mind who confuses law with right

You go "do what's right" - and tell the judge he's wrong - when you end up there......

I' m sure you'll set them straight....

It seems to me like Online Biker is telling it like he sees it.
I see it that way too.
If there was some sort of evidence to the contrary I would change my mind.
But what we have here so far seems to hinge on what we think the 'white' guy was thinking.

OLB has already stated that he thinks the guy was a piece of shit but he also thinks the black guy shouldn't have punched the white guy.
That doesn't make OLB racist.
If your agenda is anti-racism, not every criticism against your ideas is racist.
And if this is your usual approach, then you are no friend to the cause you believe in.

(December 10, 2019 at 9:36 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(December 10, 2019 at 9:10 am)SUNGULA Wrote: Nah your just a warped mind who confuses law with right

You go "do what's right" - and tell the judge he's wrong - when you end up there......

I' m sure you'll set them straight....

You seem to live in a fantasy world where the criminal is always brought to justice and the law prevails over all. Hilarious. As we've learned, the law means very little to some, just as morality means very little to folks like yourself.

(December 10, 2019 at 11:14 am)EgoDeath Wrote:

(December 10, 2019 at 9:36 am)onlinebiker Wrote: You go "do what's right" - and tell the judge he's wrong - when you end up there......

I' m sure you'll set them straight....

You seem to live in a fantasy world where the criminal is always brought to justice and the law prevails over all. Hilarious. As we've learned, the law means very little to some, just as morality means very little to folks like yourself.

I really don't even know where to begin - confronting that sort of smug, narcisistic self-congratulation.

This guy:
People toss the "racist"  term around without restraint. In short, its genuine value is muddled. There is only one race of people on this planet, the human one. I hate them all, I am a racist in the most accurate sense.

Athene:
I hope that wasn't in response to my post that was directly above this, because if it was you are sorely mistaken. See, when I toss around the term 'racist' it's because actually warranted.

Unfortunately, White Supremacy is deeply ingrained in the American psyche. Thus, racist bullshit is extremely prevalent in the US.
That's just the truth.

Now, if that's not something you'd normally be inclined to worry yourself with, I get it. Don't.
That's fine by me. Honestly.
And if you'd like to blame any apathy on your part, future intrusive thoughts, unsavory affiliations, a 2020 vote for Trump, drugs use, high lipid count, potholes or whatever on folks recognizing racist fuckery and calling it what it is, that's fine with me too. Whatever floats your boat.

The show will go on, though.

This guy:
It seems maybe my point has been missed.
Planet Earth has one, and only one race of people on it, the human one.
Sure, asshattery and blind hatred run rampant through the species. Humans are stupid. Very, very stupid.
The species love to dissect themselves countless insignificant little bundles.
There are only 2 types of people, cool ones, and assholes. It's just that simple.

Athene:
Yeah, some people are racist assholes, though. Some are stupid assholes. Some are dismissive..lol
And some are dangerous.

"Race" is quite real, as a social construct at the very least. In that sense, it is indeed a reality--One that many of us simply don't have the luxury of pretending doesn't exist.

So if my specificity in using the word "racist" triggers you and makes you feel personally attacked somehow, I don't what to say.
I can't help you.

First off, I do not feel attacked.  Secondly, it seems you have missed the point again. I am simply stating that if people placed less value on such petty, trivial nonsense such as one's skin melanin content, or which patch of dirt they call home, a considerable portion of species hazards to themselves would vanish.