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How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:26 pm
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In this topic, I want to put my understanding for prayers, how to do them and what made me conclude that this is the way to do it.
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1- My personal understanding:
Prayer is a way of direct connection with God in Islam.
God never needs it; but we do, releasing negative emotions and providing somebody to talk to.
How to pray:
A-Perform ablution:
Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_6
( 6 ) O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.
B-Rise (stand) as Sura 5 Verse 6 said.
C-recite verses from the Quran, and call God with anything you want.
D- Bow, since bowing is also mentioned in another verse:
Quote:Sura 22, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=22_77
( 77 ) O you who have believed, bow and prostrate and worship your Lord and do good - that you may succeed.
E-prostrate as Sura 22 verse 77 said, and also like Sura 4 verse 102 said here:
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=4_102
( 102 ) And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be [in position] behind you and have the other group come forward which has not [yet] prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms. Those who disbelieve wish that you would neglect your weapons and your baggage so they could come down upon you in one [single] attack. But there is no blame upon you, if you are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down your arms, but take precaution. Indeed, Allah has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.
F-Repeat
Case closed. All the above is in the Quran.
You should also pay attention to the 3 long times of the day and night which prayers must take place in (they are also in the Quran):
1-Dawn to noon (Fajr Prayer)
Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
( 114 ) And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.
2-Noon to night ( Doher Prayer)
Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=17_78
( 78 ) Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed.
3-Night to Dawn (Eshaa Prayer) -Sura 11, verse 114 which I mentioned-.
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:32 pm
(December 16, 2019 at 6:26 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In this topic, I want to put my understanding for prayers, how to do them and what made me conclude that this is the way to do it.
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1- My personal understanding:
Prayer is a way of direct connection with God in Islam.
God never needs it; but we do, releasing negative emotions and providing somebody to talk to.
How to pray:
A-Perform ablution:
Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_6
( 6 ) O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.
B-Rise (stand) as Sura 5 Verse 6 said.
C-recite verses from the Quran, and call God with anything you want.
D- Bow, since bowing is also mentioned in another verse:
Quote:Sura 22, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=22_77
( 77 ) O you who have believed, bow and prostrate and worship your Lord and do good - that you may succeed.
E-prostrate as Sura 22 verse 77 said, and also like Sura 4 verse 102 said here:
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=4_102
( 102 ) And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be [in position] behind you and have the other group come forward which has not [yet] prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms. Those who disbelieve wish that you would neglect your weapons and your baggage so they could come down upon you in one [single] attack. But there is no blame upon you, if you are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down your arms, but take precaution. Indeed, Allah has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.
F-Repeat
Case closed. All the above is in the Quran.
You should also pay attention to the 3 long times of the day and night which prayers must take place in (they are also in the Quran):
1-Dawn to noon (Fajr Prayer)
Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
( 114 ) And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.
2-Noon to night ( Doher Prayer)
Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=17_78
( 78 ) Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed.
3-Night to Dawn (Eshaa Prayer) -Sura 11, verse 114 which I mentioned-.
Cycle repeats.
Why would you post this here? Are you under the misapprehension that we're atheists because we've been praying wrong? I'll give you a hint - that ain't it.
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:38 pm
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Wash your hands and pray twice a day then, yes?
(he posted this because he's a masochist)
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:39 pm
I post here because I have no where else to go.
1 thing I know: athiests might have lots of trolls, but they rejected the lies of the religious institution, so that's a point in their score in my radar.
Another thing: I was asked by an athiest -Rhythm- to post how I pray, so...I posted.
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:40 pm
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-and now that I've heard it, I've decided not to pray to either of your shit gods any number of times a day.
Gratz, I chose, you cretin.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:41 pm
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(December 16, 2019 at 6:38 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Wash your hands and pray twice a day then, yes?
(he posted this because he's a masochist)
3 times; not 2. Pray in them as much as you like, but make sure to finish the day with 3 prayers at least.
(December 16, 2019 at 6:40 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: -and now that I've heard it, I've decided not to pray to either of your shit gods any number of times a day.
Gratz, I chose, you cretin.
As you like, there is no compulsion in Islam.
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:45 pm
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(December 16, 2019 at 6:26 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In this topic, I want to put my understanding for prayers, how to do them and what made me conclude that this is the way to do it.
-------------------------------
1- My personal understanding:
Prayer is a way of direct connection with God in Islam.
God never needs it; but we do, releasing negative emotions and providing somebody to talk to.
How to pray:
A-Perform ablution:
Quote:Sura 5, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=5_6
( 6 ) O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.
B-Rise (stand) as Sura 5 Verse 6 said.
C-recite verses from the Quran, and call God with anything you want.
D- Bow, since bowing is also mentioned in another verse:
Quote:Sura 22, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=22_77
( 77 ) O you who have believed, bow and prostrate and worship your Lord and do good - that you may succeed.
E-prostrate as Sura 22 verse 77 said, and also like Sura 4 verse 102 said here:
Quote:Sura 4, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=4_102
( 102 ) And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be [in position] behind you and have the other group come forward which has not [yet] prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms. Those who disbelieve wish that you would neglect your weapons and your baggage so they could come down upon you in one [single] attack. But there is no blame upon you, if you are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down your arms, but take precaution. Indeed, Allah has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.
F-Repeat
Case closed. All the above is in the Quran.
You should also pay attention to the 3 long times of the day and night which prayers must take place in (they are also in the Quran):
1-Dawn to noon (Fajr Prayer)
Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
( 114 ) And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night. Indeed, good deeds do away with misdeeds. That is a reminder for those who remember.
2-Noon to night ( Doher Prayer)
Quote:Sura 17, The Quran:
http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=17_78
( 78 ) Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed.
3-Night to Dawn (Eshaa Prayer) -Sura 11, verse 114 which I mentioned-.
Cycle repeats.
The first verse refers to ablution, which is not what the title of the thread implies. The verse in Sura 4 is prayer as done in war time, not on a day to day basis.
No scholar in the world nor Sunni nor shia instructs three prayers a day, you are completely alone in your understanding.
Let's suppose you're right about the number of prayers , what are the steps to follow in one prayer, what body movements do we do specifically to call them prayer according to the Qur'an?
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:50 pm
(December 16, 2019 at 6:45 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: (December 16, 2019 at 6:26 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: In this topic, I want to put my understanding for prayers, how to do them and what made me conclude that this is the way to do it.
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1- My personal understanding:
Prayer is a way of direct connection with God in Islam.
God never needs it; but we do, releasing negative emotions and providing somebody to talk to.
How to pray:
A-Perform ablution:
B-Rise (stand) as Sura 5 Verse 6 said.
C-recite verses from the Quran, and call God with anything you want.
D- Bow, since bowing is also mentioned in another verse:
E-prostrate as Sura 22 verse 77 said, and also like Sura 4 verse 102 said here:
F-Repeat
Case closed. All the above is in the Quran.
You should also pay attention to the 3 long times of the day and night which prayers must take place in (they are also in the Quran):
1-Dawn to noon (Fajr Prayer)
2-Noon to night ( Doher Prayer)
3-Night to Dawn (Eshaa Prayer) -Sura 11, verse 114 which I mentioned-.
Cycle repeats.
The first verse refers to ablution, which is not what the title of the thread implies. The verse in Sura 4 is prayer as done in war time, not on a day to day basis.
No scholar in the world nor Sunni nor shia instructs three prayers a day, you are completely alone in your understanding.
Let's suppose you're right about the number of prayers , what are the steps to follow in one prayer, what body movements do we do specifically to call them prayer according to the Qur'an?
No. Your Hadith told you it's just in war time; the special condition that Muslims have the right to carry arms during the prayer, that's what the verse said.
I don't care about the scholars of the Sunni/Shiite church; read what my religion tag says.
About body moves, join a dance course.
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:52 pm
Guys, guys - there has GOT to be a site somewhere in the vastness of the internet for Muslims to hash these things out. Not saying that you've got no right to be here, but come on - do you really think an atheist message board is the place to have a slugfest over the finer points of Islamic doctrine?
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
December 16, 2019 at 6:55 pm
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2019 at 6:56 pm by R00tKiT.)
(December 16, 2019 at 6:50 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: About body moves, join a dance course.
That's what I was looking for, thanks for the confession and the groundbreaking insight.
You actually pray by dancing. 
(To non Muslims reading the topic, he admitted explicitely that he doesn't know how to move during prayer because it's nowhere mentioned in the Qur'an, and thus his claim in the title evaporates into thin air)
(December 16, 2019 at 6:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Guys, guys - there has GOT to be a site somewhere in the vastness of the internet for Muslims to hash these things out. Not saying that you've got no right to be here, but come on - do you really think an atheist message board is the place to have a slugfest over the finer points of Islamic doctrine?
Boru
This is no fine point pal, this is what 2 damn billion Muslims do five times a day, and he doesn't agree with them.
He prays by dancing actually.
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