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How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
#31
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 16, 2019 at 6:26 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Prayer is a way of direct connection with God in Islam.
Were you able to connect with Allah?
How do you know the connection works/you connect at all?
How do you know its Allah?
What and how does he communicate back to you when connected?
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#32
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 17, 2019 at 3:03 am)Deesse23 Wrote:
(December 16, 2019 at 6:26 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Prayer is a way of direct connection with God in Islam.
Were you able to connect with Allah?

I don't know. Since I don't hear voices I can't tell, but prayer makes me feel good and export negative energy elsewhere.

Quote:How do you know the connection works/you connect at all?

I don't. But it makes me feel better; more like "curing the bruises I collected the whole day/even years".

Quote:How do you know its Allah?

huh?

Quote:What and how does he communicate back to you when connected?

It is God, even the tiniest atoms of the universe are his. So say: I pray to become better educated. Gradually; I join AF, start to learn English from its native speakers, and become so much better at science.

Me..the guy sucking at math, they guy who has M.S and problems with cognitive functions..
I pray, God listens, he is close
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#33
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 17, 2019 at 12:45 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Wow. Instructions on how to talk to yourself for people too dumb to figure it out on their own. Then they start bickering about which one of them is talking to themselves properly. Panic

But activities like prayer are very good, science even proved it:

https://psychcentral.com/blog/new-study-...al-health/

Quote:Another recent study by Columbia University found that participating in regular meditation or other spiritual practice actually thickens parts of the brain’s cortex, and this could be the reason those activities tend to guard against depression — especially in those at risk for the disease.

Also:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/d...our-health


Quote:Praying may boost mental health

Praying for others might not help them that much, but several studies have found benefits for the person doing the prayer — whether they are praying for someone else or themselves.

I add from personal experience, that prostration to God is very useful, this is how to do it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sujud
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#34
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(December 17, 2019 at 3:03 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Were you able to connect with Allah?
I don't know. Since I don't hear voices I can't tell, but prayer makes me feel good and export negative energy elsewhere.
So its less prayer and more like meditation. Why cant you admit to this to yourself?

(December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(December 17, 2019 at 3:03 am)Deesse23 Wrote: How do you know the connection works/you connect at all?
I don't. But it makes me feel better; more like "curing the bruises I collected the whole day/even years".
Again, why still pray to Allah and not to someone else (or nobody at all!), if its just for making you feel better. You dont need to hold silly beliefs in order to meditate and be mindful.

(December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
Quote:How do you know its Allah?
huh?
Well i assumed in your answer you woult state that you connect somehow to Allah, but you denied this. So this question is redundant i guess

(December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
Quote:What and how does he communicate back to you when connected?
It is God,
No, you just admitted, you dont know what it is, since you cant connect/communicate at all. "It just makes you feel good". Read it above.


(December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: even the tiniest atoms of the universe are his. So say: I pray to become better educated. Gradually; I join AF, start to learn English from its native speakers, and become so much better at science.
Well you may be pretty good at english, that much i can attest.
I am sorry, not so much for getting educated, as we found out in the slavery thread. You let your, rather fanatical, beliefs get in the way of getting educated, like so mane people. Its a shame.

(December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Me..the guy sucking at math, they guy who has M.S and problems with cognitive functions..
I pray, God listens, he is close
Imaginary friends are probably not the best idea to face the harsh reality of your medical condition(s).
Again, you said it: You pray and you feel better. No feedback at all from anything external to you. So, how do you know that Allah listens?

I feel genuinely sorry for you. But part of your situation and state of mind is the result of your own doing.
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#35
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
Questions:

-What happens if you pray wrong?

-Is it more damaging to the prayer to get the movement, the time, or the words wrong?

-If you get something wrong, do you have to start the prayer over?

-If you DO have to start over, the timing is off, so is that particular prayer cancelled for the day?

-If you get a prayer wrong and you pray for forgiveness, and you get THAT prayer wrong, will you be forgiven?

-Suppose you're an astronaut on the ISS.  This machine orbits the Earth every 90 minutes. Do you have to complete the five prayers in 90 minutes (that breaks down to one prayer every 18 minutes around the clock, or 80 prayers in 24 hours)?

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#36
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 17, 2019 at 12:27 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:
(December 17, 2019 at 10:14 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know. Since I don't hear voices I can't tell, but prayer makes me feel good and export negative energy elsewhere.
So its less prayer and more like meditation. Why cant you admit to this to yourself?
No; I practice the steps in the OP from ( A to F ) ; that's not really "Meditation". "Meditation" is usually a part of YOGA.
Moreover; ablution and cleaning your body physically from semen and poop/piss is another difference between YOGA and Islamic prayer. Calling for "God" in Sujud and recite verses from the Quran while standing is also another difference.
Quote:Again, why still pray to Allah and not to someone else (or nobody at all!), if its just for making you feel better. You dont need to hold silly beliefs in order to meditate and be mindful.

Allah accepts the prayer; usually when something is stuck in my life or burdening me I call God to solve it for me or help me do it. That's how I got to where I am now.

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(3 hours ago)AtlasS33 Wrote: Wrote:even the tiniest atoms of the universe are his. So say: I pray to become better educated. Gradually; I join AF, start to learn English from its native speakers, and become so much better at science.
Well you may be pretty good at english, that much i can attest.
I am sorry, not so much for getting educated, as we found out in the slavery thread. You let your, rather fanatical, beliefs get in the way of getting educated, like so mane people. Its a shame.

I'm not. Until this day I don't catch many of English phrases -vocal English is even harder-.
I'm educated pretty well; programming is my field and I'm becoming better at it everyday. 

Quote:Imaginary friends are probably not the best idea to face the harsh reality of your medical condition(s).
Again, you said it: You pray and you feel better. No feedback at all from anything external to you. So, how do you know that Allah listens?

I feel genuinely sorry for you. But part of your situation and state of mind is the result of your own doing.

M.S damaged my body some extent, but I still have my mind.  My mind is quite good, I can even practice programming, socialize, smoke, and do all the fun things.
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#37
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 17, 2019 at 1:01 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Questions:

-What happens if you pray wrong?
Nothing, but when you know that you prayed wrong in the future follow the Quran and do it right.
Quote:-Is it more damaging to the prayer to get the movement, the time, or the words wrong?

It depends.
-If you didn't follow the verses right: then in the future follow the Quran and do it right.
-If you knew how to do it but chose another way: then you carry the responsibility of your action in front of God.

Quote:-If you get something wrong, do you have to start the prayer over?

It depends on your consciousness. Would you bet on God forgiving your action, or don't?

Quote:-If you DO have to start over, the timing is off, so is that particular prayer cancelled for the day?

No. The time of each of the 3 prayers is very very long, see the OP.

Quote:-If you get a prayer wrong and you pray for forgiveness, and you get THAT prayer wrong, will you be forgiven?

I don't know,


Quote:-Suppose you're an astronaut on the ISS.  This machine orbits the Earth every 90 minutes. Do you have to complete the five prayers in 90 minutes (that breaks down to one prayer every 18 minutes around the clock, or 80 prayers in 24 hours)?

If you subtract 90 from 90, the answer is 0.
Surprisingly, if you subtract another 90, the answer is -90.
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#38
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
If prayer is good..then praying to a rock is good, because it's prayer. There's nothing in any study, anywhere....ever....that lends credence to praying to allah or any other particular thing.

Frankly, rocks don't make the kinds of batshit demands on human life that your garbage god does, so that's a plus one in favor of praying to them instead. Good job Atlas.
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#39
RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 18, 2019 at 12:30 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: If prayer is good..then praying to a rock is good, because it's prayer.  There's nothing in any study, anywhere....ever....that lends credence to praying to allah or any other particular thing.

Frankly, rocks don't make the kinds of batshit demands on human life that your garbage god does, so that's a plus one in favor of praying to them instead.  Good job Atlas.

Rock stars don't answer the prayer.
Allah does.
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RE: How to pray based on the Quran alone: prayer in Islam as I understand it
(December 20, 2019 at 12:17 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Rock stars don't answer the prayer.
Allah does.
You obviously havent read your own responses to my questions to you, have you? Facepalm
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