Quote:LadyForCamus Wrote: [/url]@[url=https://atheistforums.org/user-12128.html]Klorophyll

Quote:What’s your BEST argument for god? Go.

Scripture and the prophet's life. The Qur'an couldn't, can't and will never be matched (I explained this point in previous replies) and if all what the authentic hadiths report about Muhammad's life are to be trusted, it's almost insane to say he was a fake. His companions reported everything about him, it was extremely easy for them to spot anything that could question his prophecy.

This argument doesn't invoke one bit of philosophy at all, it's accessible to anyone who can read objective scholarly assessment of how good is the original text, and who can read without bias the biography of the prophet.

That's not argument.  That's assertion.

Boru

So his only response is long winded assertions

Magic book is too good to be of human origin, is the argument, such as it is.

(December 17, 2019 at 9:01 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Magic book is too good to be of human origin, is the argument, such as it is.

Then it's no argument  at all .The fact he thinks this challenge means anything is hilarious .

Sure, but it's intuitively compelling to tons of people. Not just muslims, either. Christians assert as much about their own magic book as well.

To embrace anything of a religious nature means you have zero respect for reality.

(December 17, 2019 at 9:01 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Magic book is too good to be of human origin, is the argument, such as it is.

I can claim that 'Angela's Ashes' or 'Classic Italian Violin Varnish' are too good to be of human origin with precisely the same standards used for the Quran.

However shall we choose? 

Boru

(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 16, 2019 at 8:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Klorophyll

What’s your BEST argument for god? Go.

Scripture and the prophet's life. The Qur'an couldn't, can't and will never be matched (I explained this point in previous replies) and if all what the authentic hadiths report about Muhammad's life are to be trusted, it's almost insane to say he was a fake. His companions reported everything about him, it was extremely easy for them to spot anything that could question his prophecy.

Nope. You are committing a classic question begging fallacy. The book is the claim, therefore, it cannot also be the evidence for that claim. You are assuming your conclusion. Your logic is invalid. Care to try again?

(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Where the fuck did I deny apostasy man?

You denied its mentioned in your holy book. You denied that a majority of muslims thinks it should be punished (preferably by death). You ignored me explaining that some of the most renowed scholars and schools of Islam agree with this.

(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: I was the one who brought it into the discussion you know, when you mentioned killing atheists arbitrarily without any clarification in your memorable first post.  

Bolding mine: which i didnt. And after having that pointed out to you in my previous response, i can only conclude that you are lying. But thats pretty much what i expect from people who have given up their humanity on the altar of religion.
Here is my original quote, verbatim, liar:

(December 16, 2019 at 2:07 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Its not ok to kill atheists?
Its ok to kill people who know Allah exists but reject him?
As if that would make a meaningful difference.
Your moral compass is so skewed, you actually think its ok to kill people for ...believing
Thanks, but no thanks.

Please note how i mentioned you being ok with killing apostates. We will come back to that very soon.

(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.
And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

And we are there already. You being ok with killing people for apostasy.

(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: If you are interested about what's true, why did you bring up killing? This is a serious matter you know, and it's dealt with extensively in scholarly literature, and hint: killing nonbelievers (which is miles away different from the status of an apostate) is unexistent.

And the difference/distance between me not believing and a former muslim not believing is.....how many miles?

(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: It's not like we're blindly following some random Imam born in Tora Bora instructing us to strike the White House.

Sure, you arent. You are ok with killing apostates, as soon as some *Islamic jurisprudence* tells you its ok, as you just fucking said above. Its also noted that you seem not to give a shit about jurisprudence which is not religious.

(December 17, 2019 at 8:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Scholars have no opposing views when it comes to killing a nonbeliver [Hint: it's murder]

Stop derailing and strawmanning me. Nobody talks about killing nonbelievers, but you.
You know you are lying, i know it and everyone else knows it. So why are you going to embarass yourself by forcing me to give examples? Do you really think your method of flat out denying of what you just openly stated (like you did just above) is gonna work here? Please stop insulting my intellect.

(December 16, 2019 at 7:09 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 16, 2019 at 7:01 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: So, now you’re just blatantly trolling? That’s no fun. At least make an effort, so we can play with you a bit longer.

That's no fun for me either. I came to the (sad) conclusion that you may not be exactly the kind of people to take effort seriously, everybody's mind here seems to be so strangely made up against any possible religious case. We only see short, seemingly clever, but ultimately lazy and empty replies.

Countless (serious) replies of mine here have been blatantly ignored, I don't see any reason to 'play' a bit longer when effort becomes one sided.

Yes; troll. It's an atheist forum. People here are mostly atheists....Your comments are ignored because you're a troll. Mostly; everybody knows that you are Mystic Knight; the eternal troll who haunts this section, loaded with grudge and hate.

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(December 16, 2019 at 6:59 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 16, 2019 at 6:44 pm)no one Wrote: All the belief that you can fly will not change the fact that you will plummet.

Why the hatred? We (really) only want heaven for you people.

Who are you; troll?

Didn't you say:

Quote: Mystic Knight said:

What muslims are you talking about pal? Do you think you can just spread flat lies about the religion and get away with it with a "dont tell me tell muslims" ? Really?

?
So who are you?

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(December 16, 2019 at 8:01 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(December 16, 2019 at 7:36 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: Dont tell me, tell all those muslims who think you are wrong. Do you have problems with reading comprehension, or are you just flat out ignoring what other people are writing?

What muslims are you talking about pal? Do you think you can just spread flat lies about the religion and get away with it with a "dont tell me tell muslims" ? Really?
You said explicitly :

Yes; really.
Aren't you spreading lies yourself by spreading the Hadith?
Mystic Knight..why are you so loaded with grudge?

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Quote:Klorophyll Wrote:

Again, I deny the existence of a verse who mentions apostasy. I know it's enforced and I know it's there in the Islamic jurisprudence based on an authentic hadith.

And if it is established by a court of Islamic law that it is actual treason (which is extremely complicated to establish and requires incontrovertible proof already) then yes, the punishment is death.

Hey..Mystic Fart...the extremist Kamenai Fart.
Keep your bombs and knifes home, you don't even dare to say this outside of the forum; which ATHIESTS gave you the right to be in.
Be grateful; at least? but no..teaching extremist trolls morals is a waste of time..