I wonder what this kid will get on his church assignment

(December 17, 2019 at 4:06 pm)maxolla Wrote:

(December 17, 2019 at 1:40 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Those are good questions. I don't know the answer but so far all of my experience with religion has failed to provide that proof. I would imagine a being worthy of the title "God" would be able to provide proof OR it has a plan in obscuring itself and would would be benevolent enough to NOT condemn me for my failure to believe.


I provide a reverse Pascal's Wager:

God is purposely obscuring Themself so as to occlude all possible experience that They exist

By design you are not meant to experience God

When you die and are before the Fountain you will be asked if you believe in God, if no, you will get into the full monty Cliborg (My God doesn't believe in heaven or hell instead They have Cliborg), if you say yes you will be asked to prove God exists and when you CAN'T as you couldn't your whole life, you will be sent to...

...Cliborg lite a dimmer version of Cliborg but still pretty great because my God isn't a lame douch nozzle

SO by believing in God without any good reason you are condemning yourself to Cliborg Lite but no worries because it is still pretty great.

QED

How do you know that they have failed to provide you the proof if you don’t know what the proof is?

I would know it when I saw it because it would convince me. Like falling in love; I knew I was going to get married but if you asked me who I was going to be married to I wouldn't have an answer, but when I met her it was obvious.

(December 17, 2019 at 4:07 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Boru signs his posts so he'll remember who wrote them.

FINALLY someone gets it!!

Boru

Quote:How do you know that they have failed to provide you the proof if you don’t know what the proof is?

Just checked my kitchen.  Nothing so far.

Boru

(December 17, 2019 at 4:19 pm)NightHawk Wrote: I wonder what this kid will get on his church assignment

“Atheists are evil and all worship Satan. They are going to hell.”

A+++

(December 17, 2019 at 4:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:How do you know that they have failed to provide you the proof if you don’t know what the proof is?

Just checked my kitchen.  Nothing so far.

Boru

Jesus is hiding in your sock drawer.

(December 17, 2019 at 4:27 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote:

(December 17, 2019 at 4:06 pm)maxolla Wrote: How do you know that they have failed to provide you the proof if you don’t know what the proof is?

I would know it when I saw it because it would convince me. Like falling in love; I knew I was going to get married but if you asked me who I was going to be married to I wouldn't have an answer, but when I met her it was obvious.

that’s exactly it. There is no proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. Your answer is my answer. Brilliant answer BTW, spoken from the heart which is the place of true understanding and knowledge.

(December 17, 2019 at 3:24 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I just mean that the question itself isn't necessarily a trick and if it is meant as a trick, the person must be horribly obtuse

(December 17, 2019 at 4:06 pm)maxolla Wrote: How do you know that they have failed to provide you the proof if you don’t know what the proof is?

Obtuse it is.

(December 17, 2019 at 1:09 pm)maxolla Wrote: What would be a proper demonstration of existence?  What would a God have to do to prove to you that it existed?

It's rather simple.

If your god really exists and really is a god, then he already knows what would convince me and/or any other atheist beyond all possible doubt or disagreement. Even if that was something different for each individual atheist (and it likely is). This would be no problem for an actual god. Somehow, he has not done so, ever.

Why?

Either

A) He/she/it/housecat does not exist at all.

B) He/she/it/housecat doesn't know how to do it, in which case is not much of a god.

C) He/she/it/housecat knows how to do it, but is not able to, in which case is not much of a god.

D) Doesn't want to do so, in which case is a bit of a bastard.

E) Has good reason not to do so, in which you are defying your god's plans by even attempting to convert anyone.

Posing that question is a losing proposition for you and your god no matter how you slice it.

(December 17, 2019 at 4:42 pm)maxolla Wrote: that’s exactly it.  There is no proof beyond a shadow of a doubt.  Your answer is my answer.  Brilliant answer BTW, spoken from the heart which is the place of true understanding and knowledge.

If you know this then why did you ask?

My bold.