(February 1, 2020 at 7:49 am)Mr Greene Wrote: [101-A.   Use of mobile telephones.– (1) A person shall not drive a motor vehicle if he is using a hand-held mobile telephone or a device which performs an interactive communication function of transmitting and receiving data.

      (2)  A person shall not be guilty of contravention of sub-section (1) if, at the time of the alleged contravention, he is–

            (a)  using the mobile telephone or the device to call the police, fire, ambulance or other emergency service; or

            (b)  acting in response to an emergency.

      (3)  A person who contravenes the provision of sub-section (1), shall be punished with fine which shall not be less than two hundred rupees and which may extend to five hundred rupees, and in case of a transport vehicle, with a fine which shall not be less than five hundred rupees and which may extend to one thousand rupees.]

http://punjablaws.gov.pk/laws/189.html

Given the average income in Pakistan, that's pretty severe.

Thanks for the info.

Boru

I have great experience with courts and police. Not sure about pakistan, but here you have 15 use days (weekdays except holidays) to file an impugnation of the penalty. Basicly a letter sent via registrated mail containing:

1. The number of the process, the defendant full name and address.
2. Allegations from the defendant.
3. Conclusions derived from allegations.
4. Request for justice.

(February 1, 2020 at 9:28 am)LastPoet Wrote: I have great experience with courts and police. Not sure about pakistan, but here you have 15 use days (weekdays except holidays) to file an impugnation of the penalty. Basicly a letter sent  via registrated mail containing:

1. The number of the process, the defendant full name and address.
2. Allegations from the defendant.
3. Conclusions derived from allegations.
4. Request for justice.

Yeah, you can also challenge most legal violations here, but I’m given to understand that very few people do so. Courts tend to side with cops, and challenges are rarely successful.

Boru

(February 1, 2020 at 5:17 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Hands free phone?

How auto makers get away with selling cars that should be in NASCAR, or even any vehicle has a basically a huge TV screen on the console, fuck cell phones, even if you leave your cell phone at home, you have a giant computer screen as your dash. 

Yea, "hands free'. It isn't just your hands, your eyes should be on the road. The downside to driving, as it has always been, is that the more multi tasking you do while driving increases the possibility of an accident. Even reaching for a cigarette, or your wallet or purse while in motion takes your eyes of the road. 

I get what you are saying, but still. Mustafa wasn't mad at me. We both laughed about it. 

It is just as dangerous in a big city like New York to walk and use a cell phone. You can walk into light pole, or out into traffic.

I din't force him to answer his cell, but I still feel bad he got a ticket.

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(February 1, 2020 at 10:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(February 1, 2020 at 9:28 am)LastPoet Wrote: I have great experience with courts and police. Not sure about pakistan, but here you have 15 use days (weekdays except holidays) to file an impugnation of the penalty. Basicly a letter sent  via registrated mail containing:

1. The number of the process, the defendant full name and address.
2. Allegations from the defendant.
3. Conclusions derived from allegations.
4. Request for justice.

Yeah, you can also challenge most legal violations here, but I’m given to understand that very few people do so. Courts tend to side with cops, and challenges are rarely successful.

Boru

Moving violations are damned near impossible to defend when you get a ticket. Most people simply pay the ticket and get it over with.

Quote:But it still sucks to know I was the cause of him answering his cell, which caused his police to pull him over.

Did you offer to send him the money to cover the ticket?

Boru

I actually got a traffic charged dropped a few years ago. I was in a parking lot, got in my van, lit a smoke, and turned my ignition. Due to the angle of my air condition vents, the sudden burst of air blew the ashes into my eye. That sudden irritation in my eyes got me to forget I had my van in reverse, when I made the stupid mistake of trying to step out of my van to rub my eyes. That van started backing up and just like you see in a western rodeo, I was hanging out the door clinging to the steering wheel, trying to pull myself back into the van to control it, just like you see the cowboy take down a steer, but in my case, I failed. Because of my tugging on the steering wheel, the van did a circle out of the parking lot onto the main street . Lucky for me all the other motorists saw what was happening and stopped. I was like a fucking rag doll being drug by the van.

Fortunately for me the reverse was so slow that when it was all over, it did a circle and popped the curb and gently tapped another parked car, and put a tiny dent in it. But believe me it was NOT fun. So I do the right thing, call the police because I had damaged someone else's car. They show up, take my report, and finally the guy who owned the vehicle comes out. The cop even gave me a breathalyzer, which I passed because I was just stupid, not drunk.

So a month or two later I show up to court, and the cop that day gave me great advice. He said that if I simply show up with proof of insurance, and since nobody was hurt, he advised me to take my proof of insurance to court and ask that the charge be dismissed. That was exactly what I did, and while my insurance rate went up, I didn't get any points on my licence because the court agreed to dismiss the charges.

(February 1, 2020 at 11:38 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 1, 2020 at 5:17 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Hands free phone?

How auto makers get away with selling cars that should be in NASCAR, or even any vehicle has a basically a huge TV screen on the console, fuck cell phones, even if you leave your cell phone at home, you have a giant computer screen as your dash. 

Yea, "hands free'. It isn't just your hands, your eyes should be on the road. The downside to driving, as it has always been, is that the more multi tasking you do while driving increases the possibility of an accident. Even reaching for a cigarette, or your wallet or purse while in motion takes your eyes of the road. 

I get what you are saying, but still. Mustafa wasn't mad at me. We both laughed about it. 

It is just as dangerous in a big city like New York to walk and use a cell phone. You can walk into light pole, or out into traffic.

I din't force him to answer his cell, but I still feel bad he got a ticket.

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(February 1, 2020 at 10:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yeah, you can also challenge most legal violations here, but I’m given to understand that very few people do so. Courts tend to side with cops, and challenges are rarely successful.

Boru

Moving violations are damned near impossible to defend when you get a ticket. Most people simply pay the ticket and get it over with.

If you go to court and the cop fail to show, your charges will be dismissed,   If your violation is minor, and the cop has no other reason to be in court on your court date, the cop will often not bother to show and your case will be dismissed. 

Get out of two tickets that way, not that I intentionally gambled on the cop not showing.

Think of Pee Wee Herman trying to tackle a bison. That was me trying to get back into the van trying to get it under control.

(February 1, 2020 at 11:54 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(February 1, 2020 at 11:38 am)Brian37 Wrote: How auto makers get away with selling cars that should be in NASCAR, or even any vehicle has a basically a huge TV screen on the console, fuck cell phones, even if you leave your cell phone at home, you have a giant computer screen as your dash. 

Yea, "hands free'. It isn't just your hands, your eyes should be on the road. The downside to driving, as it has always been, is that the more multi tasking you do while driving increases the possibility of an accident. Even reaching for a cigarette, or your wallet or purse while in motion takes your eyes of the road. 

I get what you are saying, but still. Mustafa wasn't mad at me. We both laughed about it. 

It is just as dangerous in a big city like New York to walk and use a cell phone. You can walk into light pole, or out into traffic.

I din't force him to answer his cell, but I still feel bad he got a ticket.

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Moving violations are damned near impossible to defend when you get a ticket. Most people simply pay the ticket and get it over with.

If you go to court and the cop fail to show, your charges will be dismissed,   If your violation is minor, and the cop has no other reason to be in court on your court date, the cop will often not bother to show and your case will be dismissed. 

Get out of two tickets that way, not that I intentionally gambled on the cop not showing.

That's part of the reason so few people challenge violations here.  Cops are required to be in court for any citations which make it that far, it doesn't matter what the charge or potential penalty is.  Failure for a cop to be at your hearing on the appointed day and time can result in that cop being suspended.

Boru

(February 1, 2020 at 11:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: Think of Pee Wee Herman trying to tackle a bison. That was me trying to get back into the van trying to get it under control.

Lovely visual, but did you offer to pay Mustafa's fine for him?

Boru