Intelligent design can't explain any natural process at all because it avoids any explanation other than "Well golly, I guess God did it." It's very premise is "I don't know." The only thing ignorance explains is theism.
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By chance?
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 (February 2, 2020 at 11:47 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Like every other universal social phenomena, ofc. To use your analogy earlier, so many different species of tree. But they're all agreed to be trees. Any dendrologist can point at an elm, an ash, a spruce or an oak and say, 'That is a tree' and the only dendrologists who disagree will be adjudged as either loonies or just not frightfully good at their job. To take your earlier definition, not all theists agree that gods are supernatural or that they have influence over nature or human fortunes. A theist can point at a rock, a statue of Zeus, a pile of poo, or a salmon and say, 'That is god' and be taken seriously (well, seriously enough to be debated, anyroad). As has been said earlier, when a definition is stretched to cover everything, it covers nothing. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
RE: By chance?
February 2, 2020 at 12:37 pm
(This post was last modified: February 2, 2020 at 12:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The definition of what a god is doesn't depend on any individual god believers strongly held opinion that the other gods aren't gods, or that their gods are the only gods whose attributes define the set.
If a person claimed that their god was a waffle, it would be perfectly appropriate to point out that it was a waffle, and not a god. That would be more like a totem or idol. The trouble with your use of the analogy, above, is that god believers are not god professionals.
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(February 2, 2020 at 12:37 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The definition of what a god is doesn't depend on any individual god believers strongly held opinion that the other gods aren't gods, or that their gods are the only gods whose attributes define the set. Which brings us back to the earlier point that theology is a subject with no content. Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
 (February 2, 2020 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(February 2, 2020 at 12:37 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: The definition of what a god is doesn't depend on any individual god believers strongly held opinion that the other gods aren't gods, or that their gods are the only gods whose attributes define the set. Yet, somehow, we all play along with "theology" as if it were a real thing. Or any sort of academia. Why?  (February 2, 2020 at 5:11 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(February 2, 2020 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Which brings us back to the earlier point that theology is a subject with no content. Why, you ask? Because many of those that hold to various theologies and god beliefs, have been known to: start wars in the name of some god or another, fly planed into buildings at 400 MPH, want to have theological based pseudoscience taught in public schools, want to persecute LGBTQ people, want to have their theological based morality legislated into law, etc, etc, etc. You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. 
Apparently creatures that are very complex need to be created.
They cannot naturally grow from a fertilized egg into a full grown adult human being. Adult human beings are far too complex. They must be created.
Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result
RE: By chance?
February 3, 2020 at 5:33 am
(This post was last modified: February 3, 2020 at 5:50 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 2, 2020 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Which brings us back to the earlier point that theology is a subject with no content. The content is made up of peoples beliefs. Dragons don't exist either, but they're just as well defined, and just as pregnant a subject to study. Ask an anthropologist, not some nutbar. (February 3, 2020 at 1:15 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Apparently creatures that are very complex need to be created. Yep, god is all up in everybody's mom. Better not tell dad.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (February 1, 2020 at 3:24 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Not sure if you’re missing the point purposefully It IS rigged. It's rigged by natural selection. It's like if you got to keep and accumulate the winning hands and discard all the losing ones and there is no pit boss.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
“Your mistake (among many) is assuming the owl eye pattern was a goal, instead of the result of providing a survival advantage.”
Well if the eye pattern was not a goal, how convenient that chance mutations created some trait that fits perfectly into the butterfly’s scheme of life? Some evos here still claim that NS has creative ability when in fact it is the raw materials of mutations that are behind it all And yes these mutations are totally random and what ever you say cannot change that, who can admit the resultant luck of mutations is mind boggling! |
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