(April 16, 2020 at 11:24 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Do you think that it might be possible that something similar happened with "islam"?

Hell, you have a brain in your head...and so you reject these imperfections of humanity in your prophet - but people believed them without question for what..1400 years you say, and it didn't strike them as a problem?  Was big mo a caravan thief?  Yeah.  So what, why is that a problem for you in a way that it hasn't been for other muslims for 1400 years...and is it really so absurd to think that people might have been conned..especially if your retconned version of big mo were true... and given the existence of christians?  Hell...you said as much yourself with the tq fail.  You do think that people get god and his prophets wrong.  End of.  Atheists think so too, in many more words.

This is why no one takes you or your beliefs seriously, muslim or atheist.  You don't seem to take them seriously yourself.

When you have a book like the Quran written in a language full of rules, you can't get things the wrong way. I supply what I say with very clear verses from the book; there are no "versions" if you use the Quran only, versions exist because Hadith books exist.

About taking me seriously or not; that's your personal freedom to choose; and that's why I ignore people and talk my mind anyways.

Apparently people can get things the wrong way. You think that this is exactly what happened. Again, I don't take you seriously, because you don't take yourself seriously.

(April 16, 2020 at 9:24 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(April 16, 2020 at 7:24 am)chimp3 Wrote: Angels are not described as little babies in the Bible either but as formidable. And I repeat, I am not impressed by magical tales.

What about "Cherubs":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherub

This is the image that got "engraved" in peoples' minds; and the Church -along with Christianity- is what made it viral.

How do you believe in the evolution of earthly creatures, but ignore the assumption that alien life can evolve outside of earth?

From the wikiarticle you cite : 

"In the Book of Ezekiel and (at least some) Christian icons, the cherub is depicted as having two pairs of wings, and four faces: that of a lion (representative of all wild animals), an ox (domestic animals), a human (humanity), and an eagle (birds).[4] Their legs were straight, the soles of their feet like the hooves of a bull, gleaming like polished brass. Later tradition ascribes to them a variety of physical appearances.[4] Some early midrashic literature conceives of them as non-corporeal. In Western Christian tradition, cherubim have become associated with the putto (derived from classical Cupid/Eros), resulting in depictions of cherubim as small, plump, winged boys.[5]"


Now you are being silly. I am not claiming life can not evolve outside of earth. Life is biological, not magical. Humans can not imagine life into being. They imagine this silly nonsense we just cited. Grow up!

Regarding some people saying that Muhammad was a "con artist", this is the most stupid, ignorant accusation I read so far.

It's a FACT that Muhammad was sincere, that he genuinely believed he is doing God's work. Nobody can keep defending a lie when taken at gunpoint, let alone insist on spreading a fake claim after a three-years-long boycott and death threats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccan_boy...Hashemites) and then decide to go against his own family members.

Even the biggest christian apologetic ass David Wood acknoweldge this brute fact:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryvaiYWjfYE (0:26)

Muhammad was sincere. Historian orientalists who did their homework - unlike some fools in this board - only had one way around this : That Muhammad suffered from temporal lobe epilepsy. A now abandoned conclusion, because the tradition seizures are invariably associated with the revelation and never occur by themselves. And Muhammad reportedly retained his full composure and memory after the occurence of every seizure.

Let's hear the board's conclusions and have a good laugh together

Why oh why, would they die for a lie...lol.

Guess you'd have to ask the scores of people who have done exactly that Kloro. For most of us here, though, it hardly matters whether big mo was liar, lunatic, or savior. Whichever of those three he was, he was a caravan raiding warlord. This is a problem for atlas...and he thinks that you and your lot are to blame for this misapprehension of big mo.

What do you think?

(April 17, 2020 at 1:17 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why oh why, would they die for a lie...lol.

Guess you'd have to ask the scores of people who have done exactly that Kloro.  For most of us here, though, it hardly matters whether big mo was liar, lunatic, or savior.  Whichever of those three he was, he was a caravan raiding warlord.  This is a problem for atlas...and he thinks that you and your lot are to blame for this misapprehension of big mo.

What do you think?

Atlas should be more concerned about getting his religious practices straight, that is. Delving into deep issues when you have the wrong number of prayers per day.... I'm feeling second hand embarassement.

Regarding the caravan raiding warlord part... Their are historical comments made by orientalist non Muslims about all Muhammad's battles.. you can check them out to have a more nuanced opinion.

I don't know where you get your *facts* about Muhammad from... probably it would be better if you put the references here.

What difference does it make if Mohammad raided caravans?? Jesus was a fanatic who physically attacked people, Moses was a murderer, blah blah blah.

None of these has any bearing on whether ANY of these people had a direct line to God. The only person who we can be certain had such a link was Belloq. If people would watch the fine documentary ‘Raiders Of The Lost Ark’, they’d know this.

Fuxxake.

Boru

People die for a lie everyday .Hell people die for a lie with h full knowledge it is a lie .

(April 17, 2020 at 1:43 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What difference does it make if Mohammad raided caravans?? Jesus was a fanatic who physically attacked people, Moses was a murderer, blah blah blah.

None of these has any bearing on whether ANY of these people had a direct line to God.

Tell that to all the other members of this board. Apparently their only problem with Muhammad is that he killed people. Whether he was right in doing so... they don't care.

Quote:Tell that to all the other members of this board. Apparently their only problem with Muhammad is that he killed people. Whether he was right in doing so... they don't care.

Strawman