(May 30, 2020 at 7:50 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(May 30, 2020 at 10:56 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: It doesn't matter, you can't claim to believe the supernatural is impossible and claim to believe there is evidence for the supernatural.

I didn't say the supernatural is impossible. I said I didn't believe in it.

Keep in mind the doxa on this forum: a lack of belief is not an assertion of non-existence. 

If you were to read what I said, you'd see that what I call evidence is data that is interpreted in a certain way. Interpreted in one way, by people who are open to it, all kinds of things are evidence for the supernatural. I haven't discussed how it is that *I* interpret the data.

Here is the original, don't accuse me of not reading or understanding your post, you are just trying to avoid your contradiction.
The point is you can't believe there is evidence for something that you also believe is impossible, no matter who is interpreting it. If you believe the supernatural is impossible than you have to believe that a claim of supernatural evidence is a misinterpretation of the evidence.

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(May 31, 2020 at 4:39 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 4:30 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Bel's quote "I didn't say the supernatural was impossible".

Really? What the hell am I looking at? And I clearly said you claimed to BELIEVE the supernatural was impossible, and you also said you BELIEVED there was evidence for the supernatural, those two statements are in conflict. I have called you dishonest before and I am doing it again, stop moving the goal posts, state your position clearly and defend it.

I lack belief in the supernatural.

So do you believe the supernatural is possible? Whether you believe in the supernatural or whether you believe that its possible are two different questions.

(May 31, 2020 at 4:48 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: The point is you can't believe there is evidence for something that you also believe is impossible, no matter who is interpreting it.

Some people believe there is evidence. Some people believe there isn't.

Quote:If you believe the supernatural is impossible than you have to believe that a claim of supernatural evidence is a misinterpretation of the evidence.

I don't know if it's impossible or not. I don't know how it could be possible, but I'm not willing to make an argument from ignorance. 

For people who haven't ruled out the supernatural, there are bits of data which, for them, increase the credibility of the supernatural being real. 

I don't know if it's real or not. But I don't believe in it.

Quote:do you believe the supernatural is possible?

I guess so. Lots of things are possible which I don't believe in.

(May 31, 2020 at 4:59 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 4:48 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: The point is you can't believe there is evidence for something that you also believe is impossible, no matter who is interpreting it.

Some people believe there is evidence. Some people believe there isn't.

Quote:If you believe the supernatural is impossible than you have to believe that a claim of supernatural evidence is a misinterpretation of the evidence.

I don't know if it's impossible or not. I don't know how it could be possible, but I'm not willing to make an argument from ignorance. 

For people who haven't ruled out the supernatural, there are bits of data which, for them, increase the credibility of the supernatural being real. 

I don't know if it's real or not. But I don't believe in it.

Quote:do you believe the supernatural is possible?

I guess so. Lots of things are possible which I don't believe in.

Jesus Christ, I never once asked if you know or claim to know the supernatural is impossible, I clearly asked what you believe.

(May 31, 2020 at 5:13 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 4:59 am)Belacqua Wrote: Some people believe there is evidence. Some people believe there isn't.

I don't know if it's impossible or not. I don't know how it could be possible, but I'm not willing to make an argument from ignorance. 

For people who haven't ruled out the supernatural, there are bits of data which, for them, increase the credibility of the supernatural being real. 

I don't know if it's real or not. But I don't believe in it.


I guess so. Lots of things are possible which I don't believe in.

Jesus Christ, I never once asked if you know or claim to know the supernatural is impossible, I clearly asked what you believe.

I lack belief in the supernatural.

(May 31, 2020 at 5:23 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 5:13 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Jesus Christ, I never once asked if you know or claim to know the supernatural is impossible, I clearly asked what you believe.

I lack belief in the supernatural.

Again, I asked if you believe the supernatural is possible, I don't know why this is so difficult?

(May 31, 2020 at 5:40 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 5:23 am)Belacqua Wrote: I lack belief in the supernatural.

Again, I asked if you believe the supernatural is possible, I don't know why this is so difficult?

I guess so. Lots of thing are possible that I don't believe in.

(May 31, 2020 at 5:44 am)Belacqua Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 5:40 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Again, I asked if you believe the supernatural is possible, I don't know why this is so difficult?

I guess so. Lots of thing are possible that I don't believe in.

Wow, was that so hard? So now we can say you misspoke earlier in the thread when said "I don't believe it's possible"?

(May 31, 2020 at 5:49 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:

(May 31, 2020 at 5:44 am)Belacqua Wrote: I guess so. Lots of thing are possible that I don't believe in.

Wow, was that so hard? So now we can say you misspoke earlier in the thread when said "I don't believe it's possible"?

It wasn't hard at all. I don't know why you ignored me when I gave exactly the same answer 52 minutes ago.

I didn't ignore it but it's different from what you said earlier in the thread, so I need to nail down your position. Because earlier in the thread you said "I don't believe it's possible" and that there is evidence for the supernatural, that was my point of contention. Now that I know you are an "I don't know" on the possibility of the supernatural it is cleared up for me.

(May 31, 2020 at 6:03 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: I didn't ignore it but it's different from what you said earlier in the thread, so I need to nail down your position. Because earlier in the thread you said "I don't believe it's possible" and that there is evidence for the supernatural, that was my point of contention. Now that I know you are an "I don't know" on the possibility of the supernatural it is cleared up for me.

Well, in #282 I said, "I guess so. Lots of things are possible which I don't believe in."

And that wasn't good enough. 

And then in #286 I said, "I guess so. Lots of things are possible which I don't believe in." 

And that was good enough. I'm pretty sure those are the same.