(June 6, 2020 at 7:31 pm)Agnostico Wrote:

Quote:We believe that the way forward is not to suppress protests in the name of public health but to respond to protesters demands i

What are protesters demanding. The cops have been charged. 
Oh I forgot, "defund the cops", great idea. Less cops easier to do crime

Quote:in the name of public health, thereby addressing multiple public health crises

The only health crisis is the damage that all the rioting has already done and people who have died from it

Quote:However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission

But you very same public health advocates have been condemning and enforcing against all types of gatherings for the last 3 months now. Hypocrites
All forms of gatherings are deemed a danger but this protest is immune from covid, its fine

Quote:This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders

You can go to this protest but not that one... Hypocrites. We have the right to assemble regardless of your virtue signalling ideological garbage

Quote:Those actions not only oppose public health interventions, but are also rooted in white nationalism and run contrary to respect for Black lives.

What... LoL i can only laugh. So all gatherings are now "rooted in white nationalism". Even if it is a gathering of Mexicans
And run "contrary to respect for black lives". A person socializing with friends has absolutely nothing to do with any of that racist liberal crap

Quote:Prepare for an increased number of infections in the days following a protest

Well if going for a drive in my car was going to "kill a granny" this protest is going to kill millions
And let me guess... Lockdown again... LoL... Second wave... 

Quote:A public health response to these demonstrations is also warranted, but this message must be wholly different from the response to white protesters resisting stay-home orders

Firstly, there was people of all races at those lockdown protests. And again the hypocrisy. 
Condemn the peaceful protest and encourage the violent ANTIFA riot. 
LoL the left in America is so ideologically fucked. No shame in lying, no shame in double standards, no shame in open hypocrisy 

Quote:infectious disease experts must be clear and consistent in prioritizing an anti-racist message.

Like I said, no shame at all. Medical experts are now doing a 180 and prioritizing something else over covid

KILL SOME GRANNIES... HYPOCRISY AND DOUBLE STANDARDS 

The most stupid part is still to come... People either justifying the hypocrisy or denying it...
Allow one public gathering and you can allow the rest

1. The issue is that George Floyd's death was part of a larger trend of police killing innocent people, with a disproportionate number of non-whites being affected, and that some serious reform is needed. This is an insanely well-documented trend.
2. As I've mentioned before, the only way you can say something like this is that Australia did a damn good job at stopping the spread of COVID early on. I live in a nation where the federal government is taking an alarmingly laissez-faire attitude towards the pandemic, and now we have more deaths and more cases than any other country.
3. Yes, they have been loosening their standards for social distancing a bit, and it's not just limited to protests. As I've mentioned before, restrictions are slowly being lifted worldwide, including Australia, a point that I can't help but notice you NEVER respond to. And why specifically defend these protests? Because police brutality is a big fucking issue, there's a long history of people abusing science to fuck with minorities which many scientists now want to avoid, and, crucially, they've gone out of their way to devote an entire section of the letter to mitigating the potential spread of the virus.
4. The seeming hypocrisy is because, unlike you, they actually have a sense of which types of gatherings are more important. There's a difference between protesting against your people getting killed and protesting the fact that you can't legally do shit like hang out at a crowded beach during a pandemic with a non-negligible death rate, and you can yell that more people are going to die in Australia from the lockdown than the virus itself all you want, and that doesn't mean a fucking thing because, in terms of major countries, that is actually an aberration from the larger trend.
5. That is specifically referring to the Anti-lockdown protests, not gatherings in general. And if you want to know what the connection between the protests and white nationalism, well, here you go.
6. While the "killing millions" is a bit of stretch, I can't rule out the possibility of a second lockdown or a second wave.
7. The double standard is because, well, See #4. Or maybe you can't tell the difference between protesting police killing you with impunity (and, yes, Chauvin has been charged with murder, and the fact that that's not the default reaction of police departments to incidents like this is a big reason for the protests) and just fulfilling hedonistic desires.
8. You can allow the rest. That doesn't necessarily mean you should. Hence why, in the real world, lockdowns are slowly loosening and not just ending full stop.

From what I saw in the news, whites have been going to the beaches in the middle of the outbreak.
Trump didn't say a word against it; he even encouraged people breaking things and going out. He even told them to inject themselves with cleaning solutions and weird stuff.

So I'm a bit confused about your topic, are you racist or something? why does Covid-19 only come up when the protests threaten Trump and show him for what he really is?

(June 6, 2020 at 9:47 pm)WinterHold Wrote: From what I saw in the news, whites have been going to the beaches in the middle of the outbreak.
Trump didn't say a word against it; he even encouraged people breaking things and going out. He even told them to inject themselves with cleaning solutions and weird stuff.

So I'm a bit confused about your topic, are you racist or something? why does Covid-19 only come up when the protests threaten Trump and show him for what he really is?

That's a fair question. Antagonisto is a Russian bot posting out of Australia, if even that is to be believed.

As for the chump, he's Putin's little boi, and does what he is told. If the chump were an actually successful criminal, he'd be owning Putin. It's a pretty good indicator that since he kisses Putin's ass, that the chump is a pretty sorry criminal. I will laugh like a hyena when the chump is hauled off to prison. 

And it isn't just whites going to the beaches. Or are you completely blind to the shades of people at the beaches?

(June 6, 2020 at 8:28 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: 1. The issue is that George Floyd's death was part of a larger trend of police killing innocent people, with a disproportionate number of non-whites being affected, and that some serious reform is needed. This is an insanely well-documented trend.
2. As I've mentioned before, the only way you can say something like this is that Australia did a damn good job at stopping the spread of COVID early on. I live in a nation where the federal government is taking an alarmingly laissez-faire  attitude towards the pandemic, and now we have more deaths and more cases than any other country.
3. Yes, they have been loosening their standards for social distancing a bit, and it's not just limited to protests. As I've mentioned before, restrictions are slowly being lifted worldwide, including Australia, a point that I can't help but notice you NEVER respond to. And why specifically defend these protests? Because police brutality is a big fucking issue, there's a long history of people abusing science to fuck with minorities which many scientists now want to avoid, and, crucially, they've gone out of their way to devote an entire section of the letter to mitigating the potential spread of the virus.
4. The seeming hypocrisy is because, unlike you, they actually have a sense of which types of gatherings are more important. There's a difference between protesting against your people getting killed and protesting the fact that you can't legally do shit like hang out at a crowded beach during a pandemic with a non-negligible death rate, and you can yell that more people are going to die in Australia from the lockdown than the virus itself all you want, and that doesn't mean a fucking thing because, in terms of major countries, that is actually an aberration from the larger trend.
5. That is specifically referring to the Anti-lockdown protests, not gatherings in general. And if you want to know what the connection between the protests and white nationalism, well, here you go.
6. While the "killing millions" is a bit of  stretch, I can't rule out the possibility of a second lockdown or a second wave.
7. The double standard is because, well, See #4. Or maybe you can't tell the difference between protesting police killing you with impunity (and, yes, Chauvin has been charged with murder, and the fact that that's not the default reaction of police departments to incidents like this is a big reason for the protests) and just fulfilling hedonistic desires.
8. You can allow the rest. That doesn't necessarily mean you should. Hence why, in the real world, lockdowns are slowly loosening and not just ending full stop.

Ye u guys have a really good sense of moral superiority thats for sure. Ideologically driven
Kill grannies from riots is fine. But im a murderer if i drive my car or go fishing

This systemic racism doesn't exist in Australia, just virtue signalling lefties who go nuts at people who disagree

I utter what Rowan Dean says here but with out the anger. 
Ive never seen him so fired up but he echoes the feelings of the majority in Australians





So for every death that occurs from allowing these protests the blood is on the hands of the state premiers
On the other hand if there is little change in deaths the blood is on the hands of the state premiers for all the deaths and livelyhoods lost due to lockdown

Systemic racism doesn’t exist in Australia? You know, maybe when you get the chance, ask your nearest aborigine about it. He’ll probably enlighten you some.

(June 7, 2020 at 1:52 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Systemic racism doesn’t exist in Australia? You know, maybe when you get the chance, ask your nearest aborigine about it. He’ll probably enlighten you some.

Fair point. Im 42yo and ive never known an . Full im talking. Very small population in my city

Now, i've known and worked with people who are part  and they get paid more than we do. 
In work they get taxed less and social benefits they have their own schemes. Instead of austudy they have abstudy and get more benfits
When you apply for the dole or anything big the very first question they ask is "are you an Aboriginal or Torres straight islander" if yes the off to a path of benefits

So ye their doing quite well, u can call them privileged 
Its totally different here mate, from the history to the demographics even our politics aren't as divided as Americas

Rowan was a bit rude I thought. Rita is much nicer and raises some points about race affairs in Oz im a short one
I think she mite be part as well, but not sure, she looks like a maybe but. I'll find out





So we do have a good opportunity now to gather data. 
If we see a spike in a week or 2 or 3 then we know covid is dangerous and the protests killed many people
If we don't see a spike then we can open it all back on like a light switch. Start the footy immediately, everything
So watch that space and the numbers closely cos its going to reveal a very real truth





So we are poised to receive the data

Agnostico is delusional. Of course systemic racism exists here in Australia.

Well he's gone full fox news now 

Aboriginals in Australia are doing quite well and you can call them privileged?
Is there two Australia's? :-)

(June 7, 2020 at 8:38 am)Little lunch Wrote: Aboriginals in Australia are doing quite well and you can call them privileged?
Is there two Australia's?  :-)

U could say that. There are two different tax brackets and two different social benefit schemes

So if i was to use the systemic racism argument it would be that its against non Aboriginals and that it doesn't even worry me

Who is an Aussie, speak up. There are racist people here, sure but systemic racism isn't a thing in Melbourne

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(June 7, 2020 at 5:46 am)SUNGULA Wrote: Well he's gone full fox news now 

U are so obsessed with me... LoL... Uv fallen into my trance where u take the bait every time. 

Like i wasn't taking to u, i wasn't fishing, i was talking to someone else but bang, like an angry bull nose shark u hit that lure hard

I feel an NPC meme comin on i think... A special one for SUNGs. Did u post the trump Karen, that was gold