I, for one, am well past the age where someone needs to monitor what I choose to watch/read/listen to.

I have also found that if I am watching something that I find I don't care for, I can turn it off. Simple.

You use your brain for deducting reason though, not for storing incessant ramble to regurgitate upon command.

(June 11, 2020 at 9:36 pm)ignoramus Wrote:

(June 11, 2020 at 8:35 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: No i'm saying we can control the level of ugliness in a fictional movie .Why wouldn't we?. People deal with that enough in real life .

Agree, but then I'm scratching my head.
Why ban GWTW? Why doesn't society just accept that movie as a piece of pure fiction, like in a parallel universe where the black slaves loved what they did!
Like all the Startrek episodes, Roddenberry wanted to use scifi (as a sandbox) as a way to explore current social/political events in the real world without too much backlash.

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I think all movies have a message to pass on. Some messages are more noble than others.
Like many propaganda Nth Korean or German WW2 movies, can't GWTW be construed as a white patriarchal supremacist propaganda movie of its era?

And if so, do we still want to call it art for portraying a skewed version of reality.
I can't see black people watching it as a fictional piece for artistic pleasure when it has such deep real world connotations.
How does one differentiate the two?
I genuinely don't know what the answer is.

1.It wasn't banned 

2. There huge difference between putting a disclaimer and rewriting the movie 

3.There a difference between explaining historical context and propaganda 

4.It's still art and portrayals in art can still be commented on how they relate to reality

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(June 11, 2020 at 9:42 pm)no one Wrote: But if I want to see the fictional ugliness, who is anyone to contol that?

Then watch gone with the wind .No one's stopping you

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(June 11, 2020 at 10:49 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I, for one, am well past the age where someone needs to monitor what I choose to watch/read/listen to.  

I have also found that if I am watching something that I find I don't care for, I can turn it off.  Simple.

Accept nobody is 

Or they put a disclaimer 

Either one works

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(June 11, 2020 at 11:54 pm)no one Wrote: You use your brain for deducting reason though, not for storing incessant ramble to regurgitate upon command.

Actually people use it for both

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It's weird to me that everyone's acting like HBO has gone full Stalin it's a disclaimer and some context added. It wasn't banned no ones out there burning physical copies of the film .If people have an issue then it's not like HBO is the only place you can see Gone With The Wind . It's not as though this is the first time something been altered for TV . It's just odd .

I was speaking to arewethereyet particularly, only in reference to her basically saying she changes the channel if she doesn't care for what's on.

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Secondly, I am speaking in general terms. Not just this instance. I find it odd that people accept the brutality of life, but the fictionalized version gets all the knickers twisted.

(June 12, 2020 at 12:59 am)no one Wrote: I was speaking to arewethereyet particularly, only in reference to her basically saying she changes the channel if she doesn't care for what's on.

Oh okay 

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(June 12, 2020 at 12:59 am)no one Wrote: I was speaking to arewethereyet particularly, only in reference to her basically saying she changes the channel if she doesn't care for what's on.

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Secondly, I am speaking in general terms. Not just this instance. I find it odd that people accept the brutality of life, but the fictionalized version gets all the knickers twisted.

Not  a lot we can do about reality

I get that, but why let the fake version bother you?

I fucking hate rap with every single fiber of my being, I would never expect anyone to have to stop enjoying it because I have a problem with it. I just don't have to listen to it.

Even though I despise the kkk and all that they stand for, I would not agree with a law yhat stifled their right to spew their idiocy. I just don't have to listen to it.

(June 12, 2020 at 1:08 am)no one Wrote: I get that, but why let the fake version bother you?

I fucking hate rap with every single fiber of my being, I would never expect anyone to have to stop enjoying it because I have a problem with it. I just don't have to listen to it.

Even though I despise the kkk and all that they stand for, I would not agree with a law yhat stifled their right to spew their idiocy. I just don't have to listen to it.

It doesn't i'm just i have problem with what HBO did 

Accept no ones saying don't enjoy it . How does adding context alter that . 

Accept no one's been stifled

Once again, I would refer anyone who thinks that HBO Max is censoring GWTW to my post.

It looks like it'll be back up soon, and the only alteration will be an introduction by a black historian putting all the racially dodgy shit into perspective, with, as far as anyone can tell, not a frame of the feature itself altered, basically, a video version of this.

And, frankly, compared to DisneyPlus' Star Wars making Greedo say "McClunkey!" just as Han shoots him, this is actually a reasonable alteration. In the meantime, it's still in print on DVD and Blu-Ray and if you have any trouble finding a copy, that's only because this controversy is making those copies sell like hot cakes. And, odds are, if you order one online, with the postal service as wonky as it's been, it'll probably be back on HBO Max by the time you get it.

(June 12, 2020 at 1:52 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Once again, I would refer anyone who thinks that HBO Max is censoring GWTW to my post.

It looks like it'll be back up soon, and the only alteration will be an introduction by a black historian putting all the racially dodgy shit into perspective, with, as far as anyone can tell, not a frame of the feature itself altered, basically, a video version of this.

And, frankly, compared to DisneyPlus' Star Wars making Greedo say "McClunkey!" just as Han shoots him, this is actually a reasonable alteration. In the meantime, it's still in print on DVD and Blu-Ray and if you have any trouble finding a copy, that's only because this controversy is making those copies sell like hot cakes.  And, odds are,  if you order one online, with the postal service as wonky as it's been, it'll probably be back on HBO Max by the time you get it.

(June 11, 2020 at 6:48 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(June 11, 2020 at 6:30 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: I'm not saying it's wrong to watch these kind of movies but imagine if you were the owner of TV station and you decide to air "Birth of a Nation" while people are rioting outside your office against racism - would you not be a bit concerned for your safety?

Both would be cases of hiding from reality. It's a fact that "Birth of a Nation" exists. To deny that is to sanitize history. We studied this film when I was at Purdue.

You worked at a chicken meat processing factory? See what I did there?

Just so you know, I went to Mental State.