(July 28, 2020 at 3:04 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote:

(July 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: That depends on what you are talking about.

Thugs are currently whipping people off the street in Portland which is a bad thing and that is because Trump is a shit.

So what specifically were you thinking of.

Everything. Every single event in history: deaths, births, murders, wars, marriages, people etc. Did it happen this way for a reason? I just find it interesting because we can't change history, so you're born into whatever you're born into, and I want to know why.

Have you ever considered that perhaps there is no “why?”

(July 31, 2020 at 2:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(July 28, 2020 at 3:04 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Everything. Every single event in history: deaths, births, murders, wars, marriages, people etc. Did it happen this way for a reason? I just find it interesting because we can't change history, so you're born into whatever you're born into, and I want to know why.

Have you ever considered that perhaps there is no “why?”

I think you can put it quite simply in many cases:  Shit Happens.

Wow, that could be a bumper sticker or something.  

(July 31, 2020 at 2:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(July 28, 2020 at 3:04 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Everything. Every single event in history: deaths, births, murders, wars, marriages, people etc. Did it happen this way for a reason? I just find it interesting because we can't change history, so you're born into whatever you're born into, and I want to know why.

Have you ever considered that perhaps there is no “why?”

Stop ruining my justifications GOD damn it.

Things happen, because that's what things do.

Even "shit"?

(July 28, 2020 at 5:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: It seems to me that Shazz is not comfortable among a group of atheists.  I'm not sure of the reason for coming here, but it obviously didn't turn out as planned.

If the answers given to questions were all god-based, I think Shazz would be happier.

Perhaps a theist forum is a better choice.

This is far more interesting. I've learned a few things.

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(July 28, 2020 at 7:22 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Shazza, let me put it this way.
You're on a golf course. The odds of hitting a particular blade of grass 300 yards away is trillions to one.
You hit the ball. It lands on a blade of grass 300 yards away. Not the one you chose. But nonetheless, the one you landed on was also a trillions to one shot and you got it!

My point is, trying to connect dots to find special meaning in circumstances is a fool's game. You could waste you life joining dots all day long for the rest of your life.
Shit happens all day long, even fun or bad co-incidental things ..Don't read anything into anything. You'll end up like the dude from "A Beautiful Mind".

Another eg: someone's girlfriend's car broke down and asked you to pick her up. On your way, someone isn't paying attention and slams into your car.
You are injured, taken to hospital, as a precaution, they give you a cat scan. They find a tiny tumor on your brain. They operate and remove it successfully.
The doctor said if they hadn't found it, the tumor was in a part of the brain that in years to come it would have been inoperable and it would have killed you.

Now Shazza, it's tempting to join dots here. But there's really nothing to see. Move along. Nothing spooky happening, No angels, or demons or unicorns or faeries are making things happen. Shit just happens. Sometimes these things are convenient, sometimes they're not.... Wishing for an agent to be involved in your life isn't going to "poof" a god into existence for you...

Conspiracy theories are created for the same reasons they create God. Some people just like to feel that "someone" is in control. Whether it's because you gave birth to an autistic baby 6 months after getting your flu shot or because the neighbor's house got torn down by a hurricane a week after the asshole blocked your driveway with his truck.
 
The universe doesn't revolve around any of us... We're not that special...seriously.

THEN WHATS THE POINT OF LIVING?? Why do we care so much when people die?? We should just be able to accept it and move on because it happens to everybody. If our lives mean nothing then why is it worth living? Wouldn't it be less exhausting to just cease to exist? (because apparently that's what happens when we die   ) Why have children when you know they're going to die anyway?

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(July 28, 2020 at 6:10 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(July 28, 2020 at 5:39 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Perhaps a theist forum is a better choice.

https://islamqa.info/en

A theist forum will give me answers I'm more familiar with. I want to see outside my box.

There is no point to living. Life simply just is.

Why do you think your life means nothing? I hope I have made the world a little better while I have been here, what more can you ask?

I suck at quotes so here goes:

YOU: THEN WHATS THE POINT OF LIVING??

ME: There really isn't some grand point but I like beer, playing with my children, hanging out with my wife, basically living is enjoyable to me. Reality is entertaining and the fact that it is extremely open world with emergent gameplay doesn't bother me much.

YOU: Why do we care so much when people die??

ME: Because we loved them, we have memories with them. The same reason religious people care so much even though those people are apparently in the great orgasm in the sky.

YOU: If our lives mean nothing then why is it worth living?

ME: It is like a movie; they are fun to watch even though they end.

YOU: Wouldn't it be less exhausting to just cease to exist?

ME: Yes, and even if you hold a worldview that there is a wonderful afterlife that would be MORE of a reason to snuff it early!

YOU: Why have children when you know they're going to die anyway?

ME: Well, going back to a movie analogy, you know movies end but you really want to make another one to see how it will unfold. I have three children, one of which I begat proper, and it has given me a lot of enjoyment watching them develop into greater functioning people.

(August 2, 2020 at 4:59 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: ME: Yes, and even if you hold a worldview that there is a wonderful afterlife that would be MORE of a reason to snuff it early!

Well, no because there are conditions.
But yeah I agree with everything else you said. It doesn't make it any less sadder. The whole thing seems so pointless, I can't wrap my head around how wasteful it all is.