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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:04 pm
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(July 28, 2020 at 4:02 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: I want to know how you guys rationalize without it.
The same way you do with it. You're having a conversation with a bunch of human beings who live in the same world that you do. Not aliens from another dimension.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:10 pm
(July 28, 2020 at 4:04 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (July 28, 2020 at 4:02 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: I want to know how you guys rationalize without it.
The same way you do with it. You're having a conversation with a bunch of human beings who live in the same world that you do. Not aliens from another dimension.
I didn't mean it that way. How do you explain why things happen without bringing God into it.
so far I've got that things happen because things happen and the obvious cause and effect and something about determinism which I'm gonna look up later.
How do I delete my account?
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:12 pm
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(July 28, 2020 at 4:03 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Not for "a" reason. There are many reasons that things happen. If I pick up a pen and drop it, gravity causes it to fall. But it also falls because I picked it up and dropped it.
Exactly. A few days ago, I nicked my thumb. If I hadn’t been holding a chisel, it probably wouldn’t have happened. If I hadn’t been in my workshop, I wouldn’t have been holding the chisel. If I wasn’t a luthier, I wouldn’t have been in the shop. If I hadn’t been a musician, I wouldn’t have become a luthier. If my godfather hadn’t got me interested in music, I wouldn’t have become a musician. If my father hadn’t gone to school in Keady, I wouldn’t have had that godfather.
So, the reason I nicked my thumb is that Da went to school in Keady.
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:14 pm
(July 28, 2020 at 4:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 28, 2020 at 4:03 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Not for "a" reason. There are many reasons that things happen. If I pick up a pen and drop it, gravity causes it to fall. But it also falls because I picked it up and dropped it.
Exactly. A few days ago, I nicked my thumb. If I hadn’t been holding a chisel, it probably wouldn’t have happened. If I hadn’t been in my workshop, I wouldn’t have been holding the chisel. If I wasn’t a luthier, I wouldn’t have been in the shop. If I hadn’t been a musician, I wouldn’t have become a luthier. If my godfather hadn’t got me interested in music, I wouldn’t have become a musician. If my father hadn’t gone to school in Keady, I wouldn’t have had that godfather.
So, the reason I nicked my thumb is that Da went to school in Keady.
Boru I love this response haha.
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:18 pm
(July 28, 2020 at 4:14 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: (July 28, 2020 at 4:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Exactly. A few days ago, I nicked my thumb. If I hadn’t been holding a chisel, it probably wouldn’t have happened. If I hadn’t been in my workshop, I wouldn’t have been holding the chisel. If I wasn’t a luthier, I wouldn’t have been in the shop. If I hadn’t been a musician, I wouldn’t have become a luthier. If my godfather hadn’t got me interested in music, I wouldn’t have become a musician. If my father hadn’t gone to school in Keady, I wouldn’t have had that godfather.
So, the reason I nicked my thumb is that Da went to school in Keady.
Boru I love this response haha.
To be fair, you didn’t ask the question very well.
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:19 pm
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: (July 28, 2020 at 3:17 pm)brewer Wrote: Until you describe the "things" I can't postulate a reason.
I can tell you that none of my reasons would be magic/supernatural (unless magic/supernatural is the things).
Is this a good people/bad things thread?
idk. like, why did JFK die? Because a wingnut shot him inna head.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: I'm sure the person who killed him had their reasons but Yup, his reason was he was a wingnut disconnected from reality.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: why was he even born in the first place? When a Mom and a Pop cuddle...
Surely somebody has explained the birds and the bees to you? Apparently not.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: And yeah I get it's because his parents created him, but why HIM. Because you get to bury the beefy bayonet in the fragrant woman's cave. Do you somehow think that in that "oh god" moment of orgasm that the parents decide exactly all of the potential childs life? That is absurd.
I have two of my own. I intentionally have always encouraged them to be their own person.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: And why did he become president? He was elected. Don't you know how democracy works?
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Why did I join this forum thing? Because you chose to do so. Are you claiming you had no choice in the matter?
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Is it going to effect me later in life? Yep. This next level BS will definitely ruin your life.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Why was I born and not the brother I've never had? [ Because YOU were born. If your imaginary brother had been born, you would not exist.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Is there a reason these things happen and if not, is/was there an alternate series of events, that could have occurred but didn't because of one or many actions taken? Daft question
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: I don't know how else to ask my question, it's just an endless circle inside my head. That is not our fault.
Here is the deal. Next month, my eldest will be an adult. At that point, he will be appointed executor of my will. Would that be different if he was a she? Nope. That is based on ability, not gender.
You can barnstorm all you like about how things could be different.
But you would be better served by dealing with how things are.
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:24 pm
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(July 28, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: (July 28, 2020 at 4:04 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The same way you do with it. You're having a conversation with a bunch of human beings who live in the same world that you do. Not aliens from another dimension.
I didn't mean it that way. How do you explain why things happen without bringing God into it. The same way that you do with god. Asking the same question won't get you a different answer.
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The same way that any of us would. 
Honestly think about what you're asking us. Let's say that you apprehend the world through teleology - which is to say that you explain an event by the purpose it serves rather than the cause by which it arises. God's plan, the ultimate purpose. Well, purpose and teleology aren't restricted to gods. Other people, who don't believe in gods, might also find reason and use in explaining things by referring to their purpose. Why is there a hammer here? Because I intend to strike a nail. Why do fish have gills? To breathe. You might notice that you can understand these explanations, and see nothing obviously wrong with them. They don't refer to any gods.
How often, if you really worked it out, do you refer to god in your own life? I'd be willing to bet that the difference between yourself and an atheist, with respect to your question, is small to non-existent. We may as well ask you how you do x without believing in the aztec gods - and you'd instantly grasp the problem that you're facing here, with us.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:24 pm
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(July 28, 2020 at 4:19 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: idk. like, why did JFK die? Because a wingnut shot him inna head.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: I'm sure the person who killed him had their reasons but Yup, his reason was he was a wingnut disconnected from reality.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: why was he even born in the first place? When a Mom and a Pop cuddle...
Surely somebody has explained the birds and the bees to you? Apparently not.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: And yeah I get it's because his parents created him, but why HIM. Because you get to bury the beefy bayonet in the fragrant woman's cave. Do you somehow think that in that "oh god" moment of orgasm that the parents decide exactly all of the potential childs life? That is absurd.
I have two of my own. I intentionally have always encouraged them to be their own person.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: And why did he become president? He was elected. Don't you know how democracy works?
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Why did I join this forum thing? Because you chose to do so. Are you claiming you had no choice in the matter?
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Is it going to effect me later in life? Yep. This next level BS will definitely ruin your life.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Why was I born and not the brother I've never had? [ Because YOU were born. If your imaginary brother had been born, you would not exist.
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: Is there a reason these things happen and if not, is/was there an alternate series of events, that could have occurred but didn't because of one or many actions taken? Daft question
(July 28, 2020 at 3:44 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: I don't know how else to ask my question, it's just an endless circle inside my head. That is not our fault.
Here is the deal. Next month, my eldest will be an adult. At that point, he will be appointed executor of my will. Would that be different if he was a she? Nope. That is based on ability, not gender.
You can barnstorm all you like about how things could be different.
But you would be better served by dealing with how things are.
1. I didn't blame you for anything
2. I'm not disconnected from reality, I accept the way things are. I just like to ponder about the why they are the way they are. Theres nothing wrong with that. wth is the point of philosophy??
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:31 pm
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Do you open jars in a particularly christian way? Do you make a ham and cheese in a particularly christian way? Do you wipe your nose in a christian way? Do you put the spoon in your mouth to feed yourself in a christian way? Do you notice the temperature in a christian way?
No? Neither do I. We also rationalize and explain things in the same ways. I don't need a god to do that anymore than you do. The only difference is that you believe a god exists, and I do not.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do things happen for a reason?
July 28, 2020 at 4:33 pm
(July 28, 2020 at 4:10 pm)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: I didn't mean it that way. How do you explain why things happen without bringing God into it. Why do you bring God into it?
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