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Schrodinger's Cat. What say you?
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RE: Schrodinger's Cat. What say you?
October 15, 2020 at 7:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2020 at 7:23 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Riiight, so, coming back round to schrodingers cat. Yes, it's an observer - and yes, a barrel of explosives would also be an observer (both of them are billions and billions of observers, in point of fact). Anything that interacts with our x is said to have observed it. That word is used a particular way in qm - it doesn't necessitate or indicate a human being or a cat watching.
That is the misconception that the entire qm woo market is based on, though. The whole business is a bit moot, since neither cats nor explosives nor any other macroscopic object is going to act like the particles that the analogy is meant to explain. It would be absurd if a cat acted that way, which is probably why einstein thought as much, even though it's not absurd for particles to act that way.
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 RE: Schrodinger's Cat. What say you?
October 15, 2020 at 8:01 am
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2020 at 8:28 am by Duty.)
So the interior of the safe is an observer? In that case, the interior of the atom smashing machine would be an observer and there would be no spookiness, no?
ETA: actually, no, I'm not going to attempt to resolve this stuff, again - I haven't got so much as a bsc in quantum mechanics and, as Richard Feynman says: "If you think you understand quantum mechanics , you don't understand quantum mechanics."  RE: Schrodinger's Cat. What say you?
October 15, 2020 at 8:42 am
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2020 at 8:42 am by onlinebiker.)
A lesser known theoretical experiment is Schrodinger's Dog.
In this experiment Schrodinger let loose some particularly noxious flatuence at the dinner table and attempts to blame it on the dog. The dog can be thought of as smelly or not smelly depending on how many times Schroedinger has tried employing this tactic... RE: Schrodinger's Cat. What say you?
October 15, 2020 at 8:52 am
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2020 at 8:57 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 15, 2020 at 8:01 am)Lawz Wrote: So the interior of the safe is an observer? In that case, the interior of the atom smashing machine would be an observer and there would be no spookiness, no? Yes. Absolutely anything that interacts with the subject/object in any way is an observer. The breeze blowing across your face is observing™ your cheek. The "spooky action" being referenced doesn't go away, it's just not what people think it is - again, the common perception is based on the everyday use of the term observer..which, like so much in scientific descriptions, doesn't actually capture what is being communicated with the employment of the term.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (October 15, 2020 at 8:52 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yes. Absolutely anything that interacts with the subject/object in any way is an observer. The breeze blowing across your face is observing™ your cheek. The "spooky action" being referenced doesn't go away, it's just not what people think it is - again, the common perception is based on the everyday use of the term observer..which, like so much in scientific descriptions, doesn't actually capture what is being communicated with the employment of the term.ob·serv·er Learn to pronounce noun a person who watches or notices something. "to a casual observer, he was at peace" Opposite: participant a person who follows events, especially political ones, closely and comments publicly on them. "some observers expect interest rates to rise" a person posted to an area in an official capacity to monitor political or military events. "elections scrutinized by international observers" 
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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October 15, 2020 at 11:54 am
(This post was last modified: October 15, 2020 at 11:57 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Yes, Sama, exactly that. People think that the observer is a person (or person like thing) watching. That this watching, by a person like observer, has an effect.
A scale has observed the weight of a thing. A breeze has observed the resistance of our skin and our skin has observed the speed of the breeze and the weight of a thing has observed the strength of the spring in the scale. One single particle, interacting with another single particle, has each observed the other. So on and so forth.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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