(April 22, 2021 at 12:28 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(April 22, 2021 at 12:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Currently, about a dozen or so. But the ones I know don’t think like American cops. There’s a difference.

Boru

And it's a well known fact that all cops think alike, right??


After all - they build them all on the same assembly line, right??

Let’s say you’ve got a force of, I dunno, a hundred cops. Out of that hundred, you’ve got maybe five who abuse their authority - plant evidence, take bribes, deal weed, whatever. Genuine bad apples. The other 95 are true public servants - they sincerely help people, are adept at defusing tense situations, and so on. 

This doesn’t mean you have 95 good cops. You’ve got the five bad apples, plus the ones who don’t turn them in. Which is most of them.

Boru

(April 22, 2021 at 12:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 22, 2021 at 12:13 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Always bring up unrelated things to prove a point???

Pretty much, yes. I’ve come to the conclusion that good cops are the exception, not the rule, so I feel justified in bringing up whatever suits me.

Boru

Really?    You think at least 350,001 out of about 700,000 police officers in the country is no good?

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(April 22, 2021 at 12:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 22, 2021 at 12:24 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I guess you don't know too many cops.

oh well..

Currently, about a dozen or so. But the ones I know don’t think like American cops. There’s a difference.

Boru

It is one thing to extrapolate from too small a sample, another to extrapolate from a sample of, zero?

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(April 22, 2021 at 12:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: First rule of attempting to serve a misdemeanor warrant: Shoot to kill.

Boru

What about the first rule of attempting to serve a misdeameaner warrant in the presence of a knife wielder in the process of charging an unarmed person?

(April 22, 2021 at 9:25 am)Reforged Wrote:

(April 22, 2021 at 9:18 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Brilliant.

If you call 911 first - you're free to go about stabbing people at will....

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Wait, what? Really? 
Oh my. Oh my. This... this is great.
One sec, I have some people I need to visit. Be right back.

onlinebiker is a shitposter, Brian37 is easily risen. Simples.

(April 22, 2021 at 12:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(April 22, 2021 at 12:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Pretty much, yes. I’ve come to the conclusion that good cops are the exception, not the rule, so I feel justified in bringing up whatever suits me.

Boru

Really?    You think at least 350,001 out of about 700,000 police officers in the country is no good?

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(April 22, 2021 at 12:26 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Currently, about a dozen or so. But the ones I know don’t think like American cops. There’s a difference.

Boru

It is one thing to extrapolate from too small a sample, another to extrapolate from a sample of, zero?

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(April 22, 2021 at 12:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: First rule of attempting to serve a misdemeanor warrant: Shoot to kill.

Boru

What about the first rule of attempting to serve a misdeameaner warrant in the presence of a knife wielder in the process of charging an unarmed person?

1. How often do do-called ‘good’ cops rat out the bad ones? How often do you see the headline ‘Patrolman Accuses Desk Sergeant Of Accepting Bribes’?  Any cop who knowingly  allows police corruption is a de facto bad cop. 

2. Is it necessary to personally know someone to know if they’re a criminal?

3. Yes, that’s an excellent point. Police have no means other than gunfire to subdue a knife wielder.

Boru

(April 22, 2021 at 12:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 22, 2021 at 12:28 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: And it's a well known fact that all cops think alike, right??


After all - they build them all on the same assembly line, right??

Let’s say you’ve got a force of, I dunno, a hundred cops. Out of that hundred, you’ve got maybe five who abuse their authority - plant evidence, take bribes, deal weed, whatever. Genuine bad apples. The other 95 are true public servants - they sincerely help people, are adept at defusing tense situations, and so on. 

This doesn’t mean you have 95 good cops. You’ve got the five bad apples, plus the ones who don’t turn them in. Which is most of them.

Boru

By your reasoning - if one of your co-workers molests a sheep - you're a beastly sort of guy yourself -- because YOU DIDN'T TURN HIM IN!!!

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Where do you get the idea that crooked cops tell all the other cops about what they're up to?


Do you think that maybe - JUST MAYBE - cops are like any other group of people -- and keep their illegal shit tucked away where nobody else gets a look at it????

Or is it now cool to stereotype every group based on the actions of a few from that group???


Cuz I got some hellacious stories about those goofy Irish guys.......

And you know they're ALL like that....

Quote:By your reasoning - if one of your co-workers molests a sheep - you're a beastly sort of guy yourself -- because YOU DIDN'T TURN HIM IN!!!

No, but you are complacent in the act of knowing that.

Quote:Where do you get the idea that crooked cops tell all the other cops about what they're up to?

Because they know they won't rat them out because police culture is highly conformist and tribal.

Quote:Do you think that maybe - JUST MAYBE - cops are like any other group of people -- and keep their illegal shit tucked away where nobody else gets a look at it????

Accept they are not like any other group. They are agents of state violence and the answer to your question is above.

Quote:Or is it now cool to stereotype every group based on the actions of a few from that group???

It's not a stereotype of a group it's a criticism of an institution and its culture of silence and corruption.

Quote:Cuz I got some hellacious stories about those goofy Irish guys.......

Are the Irish an organization or an institution run by the state. I don't think so  

Quote:And you know they're ALL like that....

Invalid comparison. Criticizing an arm of the state and the enforcers it employs is not the same as stereotyping the Irish .That's just stupid

(April 22, 2021 at 1:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 22, 2021 at 12:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Really?    You think at least 350,001 out of about 700,000 police officers in the country is no good?

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It is one thing to extrapolate from too small a sample, another to extrapolate from a sample of, zero?

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What about the first rule of attempting to serve a misdeameaner warrant in the presence of a knife wielder in the process of charging an unarmed person?

1. How often do do-called ‘good’ cops rat out the bad ones? How often do you see the headline ‘Patrolman Accuses Desk Sergeant Of Accepting Bribes’?  Any cop who knowingly  allows police corruption is a de facto bad cop. 

2. Is it necessary to personally know someone to know if they’re a criminal?

3. Yes, that’s an excellent point. Police have no means other than gunfire to subdue a knife wielder.

Boru

1. Good cop’s overriding concern is not to advance the correct ideology de jour or enforce the ideal social norm of the day.  it is to ensure the police force can function effectively in routine law enforcement, even in cases of threats to life and limb.     The latter requires an work environment where fear of being ratted out by one’s fellow cops do not dominate most professional collaborations.   So ratting out rightly does not occur nearly as often as would be the case if the primary common purpose of all policemen is to advance the social norm de jour rather than routine law enforcement.

2. so police who appreciative the importance of esprit de corps in their organization more than an outsider are criminals now?

3. A judgment call has to be made based on how severe is the threat and how effective is each available mode of restraint in mitigating that threat.

As a Lakers fan, I'm allowed to say this. Shut up and dribble, Lebron.

OLB, many don't even care if the suspect is shooting at the police. They want police to sacrifice their lives to save people putting lives at risk. They think cops signed up to take the risk, so what's their excuse for not being able to dodge bullets and tackle a guy without hurting him whatsoever? That's apparently what they signed up for. https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-protester...-was-white

Quote:As a Lakers fan, I'm allowed to say this. Shut up and dribble, Lebron.

No your not. 

Quote:OLB, many don't even care if the suspect is shooting at the police. They want police to sacrifice their lives to save people putting lives at risk. They think cops signed up to take the risk, so what's their excuse for not being able to dodge bullets and tackle a guy without hurting him whatsoever? That's apparently what they signed up for.

A heap of strawmen and Faux News story that distorts the facts. They didn't stop protesting because he was white.

(April 22, 2021 at 2:39 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: As a Lakers fan, I'm allowed to say this. Shut up and dribble, Lebron.

OLB, many don't even care if the suspect is shooting at the police. They want police to sacrifice their lives to save people putting lives at risk. They think cops signed up to take the risk, so what's their excuse for not being able to dodge bullets and tackle a guy without hurting him whatsoever? That's apparently what they signed up for. https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-protester...-was-white

You wonder if their tune would change if that knife wielding girl was headed towards their wife, daughter or mother.....


Let's hope not.


We want them to be consistent.