(November 8, 2011 at 2:45 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The unfortunate thing is that even with a "healthy lifestyle" you will still get cancer (or any other terminal disease). I heard that the figures coming in from the "Slip, Slop, Slap" program are not encouraging and many are suffering from Vitamin D deficiency diseases. The cancer it was supposedly to prevent is still rampant

What if I'm a vegan?

(November 8, 2011 at 2:49 am)Vaginasaur Wrote:

(November 8, 2011 at 2:45 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: The unfortunate thing is that even with a "healthy lifestyle" you will still get cancer (or any other terminal disease). I heard that the figures coming in from the "Slip, Slop, Slap" program are not encouraging and many are suffering from Vitamin D deficiency diseases. The cancer it was supposedly to prevent is still rampant

What if I'm a vegan?

What if you are?? Does that matter?? You will be just as dead as an Omnivore and just as likely to contract a terminal disease. Maybe even more so.

(November 8, 2011 at 2:53 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: What if you are?? Does that matter?? You will be just as dead as an Omnivore and just as likely to contract a terminal disease. Maybe even more so.

I'm sure that meat and dairy consumption lead to highly rates of cancer, I also don't eat anything containing gluten.

Vag, let me just say that I applaud you fo eagerness to explore yourself. It's something a lot of people avoid because it takes work. Most of the people on this forum are veterans of self-exploration, as well as explorers of history, philosophy, theology, and all things known to man. I think that your initial approach was pretty much tactless. If you are really willing to be open and explore ideas of which you perhaps have no knowledge, you will take 10 minutes and really pay attention to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

Perhaps coming here and making your pessimistic proclamations about your personal philosophies, and seemingly expecting us to be blown away and not question what you're telling us was not the most open minded thing to do. Then to accuse us of being deluded, closed minded, etc... I think you were a little deluded in the first place to think an atheist forum, which is bound to be full to the brim with skeptics, would be willing to dismiss their own knowledge and logic and just agree with your every word.

We make these mistakes sometimes, and it's okay for you to believe what you want to believe, but if you share those beliefs with others, you have to expect to be challenged.

(November 8, 2011 at 2:58 am)Vaginasaur Wrote:

(November 8, 2011 at 2:53 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: What if you are?? Does that matter?? You will be just as dead as an Omnivore and just as likely to contract a terminal disease. Maybe even more so.

I'm sure that meat and dairy consumption lead to highly rates of cancer, I also don't anything containing gluten.

As I said Vagie... you are just as susceptible if you are vegan (do you fear getting cancer?) IF veganism is the answer then please explain to me how a 2 year old get's cancer from an otherwise "healthy-lifestyle" mother? I would like to hear how a "Healthy life style" saves one from Cancer, Diabetes and Heart failure..my godfather would dearly love to know.

It is my opinion that quotes like "High rates of Cancer" are just a media grab from misinterpreted/ misrepresented data. We have no idea just what causes cells to go rouge and it appears that you are using food as the scapegoat and this mystical "Healthy Lifestyle" to preach your own belief system. If your beliefs work for you ..GREAT

Balance AFAIK is the key to live a good life...nothing more. Maybe that is why I love riding a motorcycle?

I hold a negative value judgement on life. I think when you have a child, you're gambling with nature, and 2 year olds getting cancer is just tragic.

No one ever tried responding to this, the only response I got was that I was wrong and that I'm deluded myself:

Quote:Hi,

I think pessimism is the rational perceptive to have.

Throughout the history of this planet, only a small percentage of life has been doing this contemplating the universe thing, and having high-minded conversations about how beautiful life is and how wonderful their experiences have been. But life isn't anything like this, it's a replicating DNA molecule that has been reproducing and consuming itself for approximately 4 billion years.

Does it have a purpose? No, it was just an accident of biology, which perpetuated all these different manifestations of life.

And what are we? We are simply puppets animated by the non-benign chemistry that has been pulling our strings for hundreds of thousands of years.

You think you have a self, a solitary unity self with a fixed identity? Well, sorry to break it to you, but you don't. Your subjective experiences are just the end result of electrochemical activity in your brain.

Our species has become so deluded from reality that we can't even see the only thing which is meaningful - sentience - that which we take for granted. None of this material has any real value, it's all just perceptual, the value is inside ourselves. The conscious welfare of all sentient beings is what matters.

We still create sentient beings that are capable of experiencing pain and suffering for our own edification. We haven't demonstrated any capacity to solve this hate problem, we think we can somehow take control of nature when we are the very part of the problem we seek to solve.

We will not be able to control the technology that we are currently busy designing and experimenting with. We hope that this will lead humanity to inevitable moral progress. It won't.

You can continue to fill your head with daydreaming and nonsensical wishful, hopeful thinking and talk about how beautiful and joyous your DNA ride is, or you can recognise that it isn't a ride at all, just a stupid molecule creating biological experiments.

Ask yourself this question - Which would I prefer?

Meaningless and amoral universe with a cycle of unnecessary pain, suffering and death inflicted on the present generation by the generation preceding it due to insane and deluded animals mistakenly believing that they are bestowing something precious - sentience - that needs to be perpetuated at any costs.

Meaningless and amoral universe with no unecessary pain, suffering and death inflicted on future generations by the present generation.

Pretty tough decision to make isn't it?

Anyway, just my thoughts. We only know what we know with the information, beliefs and priorities we have at any given moment in time. No need to hate, just appreciate what we all have in common.

Thanks.

The post was there. There is no need to repost it.

Yes, but if you're going to post a video on open-mindedness, you can at least refute my philosophical beliefs with reasoning and logic instead of saying that I'm wrong and deluded.

(November 8, 2011 at 3:27 am)Vaginasaur Wrote: I hold a negative value judgement on life. I think when you have a child, you're gambling with nature, and 2 year olds getting cancer is just tragic.

No one ever tried responding to this, the only response I got was that I was wrong and that I'm deluded myself:

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Quote:Hi,

I think pessimism is the rational perceptive to have.

Throughout the history of this planet, only a small percentage of life has been doing this contemplating the universe thing, and having high-minded conversations about how beautiful life is and how wonderful their experiences have been. But life isn't anything like this, it's a replicating DNA molecule that has been reproducing and consuming itself for approximately 4 billion years.

Does it have a purpose? No, it was just an accident of biology, which perpetuated all these different manifestations of life.

And what are we? We are simply puppets animated by the non-benign chemistry that has been pulling our strings for hundreds of thousands of years.

You think you have a self, a solitary unity self with a fixed identity? Well, sorry to break it to you, but you don't. Your subjective experiences are just the end result of electrochemical activity in your brain.

Our species has become so deluded from reality that we can't even see the only thing which is meaningful - sentience - that which we take for granted. None of this material has any real value, it's all just perceptual, the value is inside ourselves. The conscious welfare of all sentient beings is what matters.

We still create sentient beings that are capable of experiencing pain and suffering for our own edification. We haven't demonstrated any capacity to solve this hate problem, we think we can somehow take control of nature when we are the very part of the problem we seek to solve.

We will not be able to control the technology that we are currently busy designing and experimenting with. We hope that this will lead humanity to inevitable moral progress. It won't.

You can continue to fill your head with daydreaming and nonsensical wishful, hopeful thinking and talk about how beautiful and joyous your DNA ride is, or you can recognise that it isn't a ride at all, just a stupid molecule creating biological experiments.

Ask yourself this question - Which would I prefer?

Meaningless and amoral universe with a cycle of unnecessary pain, suffering and death inflicted on the present generation by the generation preceding it due to insane and deluded animals mistakenly believing that they are bestowing something precious - sentience - that needs to be perpetuated at any costs.

Meaningless and amoral universe with no unecessary pain, suffering and death inflicted on future generations by the present generation.

Pretty tough decision to make isn't it?

Anyway, just my thoughts. We only know what we know with the information, beliefs and priorities we have at any given moment in time. No need to hate, just appreciate what we all have in common.

Thanks.

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Because they were your own opinions there was nothing to answer.

You are wrong if you think you have a choice?

(November 8, 2011 at 3:35 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Because they were your own opinions there was nothing to answer.

You are wrong if you think you have a choice?

How is it wrong? We're by-products of a consuming, cannibalising and reproducing DNA molecule, we have the capacity for addiction through sensual pleasures and attachment to things in our environment, we have the cognitive abilities to do this reasoning and logic thing. This is a human being is it not?