(July 19, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Seriously - what could go wrong?

https://www.popularairsoft.com/meet-bloc...-precision



Boru

For a home defense weapon that would be brilliant....

The intruder looks at your gun and laughs - giving you ample time to double tap the bastard one to the chest and one to the head.....

(July 19, 2021 at 7:27 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(July 19, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Seriously - what could go wrong?

https://www.popularairsoft.com/meet-bloc...-precision



Boru

For a home defense weapon that would be brilliant....

The intruder looks at your gun and laughs - giving you ample time to double tap the bastard one to the chest and one to the head.....

Of course, it also puts cops and kids at greater risk.

No cop wants to shoot a child, but it tragically, occasionally happens when a child has a toy gun that looks real. Now, imagine that LEGO pistol in the hand of an adult. It looks like a toy, and a cop may hesitate to shoot someone who is a legitimate threat.

There are plenty of stories about kids finding their parents’ weapons, with horrific outcomes. Think how much more often it would happen with a gun that looks just like the one in junior’s toy chest.

This is a bad idea. It’s shit like this that make the pro-gun crowd their own worst enemy.

Boru

(July 19, 2021 at 7:36 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 19, 2021 at 7:27 am)onlinebiker Wrote: For a home defense weapon that would be brilliant....

The intruder looks at your gun and laughs - giving you ample time to double tap the bastard one to the chest and one to the head.....

Of course, it also puts cops and kids at greater risk.

No cop wants to shoot a child, but it tragically, occasionally happens when a child has a toy gun that looks real. Now, imagine that LEGO pistol in the hand of an adult. It looks like a toy, and a cop may hesitate to shoot someone who is a legitimate threat.

There are plenty of stories about kids finding their parents’ weapons, with horrific outcomes. Think how much more often it would happen with a gun that looks just like the one in junior’s toy chest.

This is a bad idea. It’s shit like this that make the pro-gun crowd their own worst enemy.

Boru

It would be fine in our situatiion for home defense.

We have no kids ( so no grandkids) and it has been over 30 years since a kid came in this house - and that's unlikely to change in the future.

I would not use it for concealed carry - it's too big and bulky.

(July 18, 2021 at 6:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 18, 2021 at 6:11 pm)Helios Wrote: The only difference is one isn't pretending there are nice neat categories of bad guys and good guys

But there is a neat flooded market in which one industry profits no matter if good guys, or bad guys, cops or civilians have their hands on them and profit no mater how many the industry sells.

Maslow's Hammer strikes again!

(July 19, 2021 at 6:07 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Seriously - what could go wrong?

https://www.popularairsoft.com/meet-bloc...-precision



Boru

(July 18, 2021 at 6:54 pm)tackattack Wrote: Being intentionally broad to prove a point and obtuse are not the same. Yes all cancer is a type of cancer, that’s why we categorize things. A shooting is a shooting, whether the bad guy is a criminal killing someone else, or the bad guy is an irresponsible gun owner, or a defective gun that blows up. My point was that they were both in effectively going towards the same goal poorly and not proposing a better solution, hence the broken record syndrome.

Brian legal guns can not be bought like candy. Full stop. That has been shown.

Those guns that can are illegal. Olb putting more guns in the market necessarily leads to more of a chance that legal guns become illegal guns and an increase in non criminal gun deaths. Full stop . That’s been shown as well.

Can we now talk about a better solution than this piecemeal posturing? Probably not here because what’s going on in this thread isnt new news or noteworthy.

Bullshit. I suffer depression and anxiety. I have a gun shop less than a mile away from me. I have no criminal record, I have no violent felony. Now sure, when I go to the grocery store and buy a Snickers candy bar, they scan the bar code, I pay and walk out. Maybe this store makes me wait 10 minutes, a half hour, or a day. Our laws SUCK compared to the rest of the world. 

You are being pedantic. I walk into a gun shop they do a computer check, sure that takes longer, but it is really not sufficient. Gun shops don't do psychological evaluations, they don't mandate physical training. I could literally go to the gun shop down the road right now and buy a firearm based on my state's current laws. I don't know what the individual store policy is on how much time I have to wait, but I damned sure know that I could legally buy one if I wanted.

So you’d have to lie on questions 23e and f on a 4473, which is a felony, to acquire a gun legally, if it’s not already a boot out of the background check?

(July 19, 2021 at 5:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 18, 2021 at 6:54 pm)tackattack Wrote: Being intentionally broad to prove a point and obtuse are not the same. Yes all cancer is a type of cancer, that’s why we categorize things. A shooting is a shooting, whether the bad guy is a criminal killing someone else, or the bad guy is an irresponsible gun owner, or a defective gun that blows up. My point was that they were both in effectively going towards the same goal poorly and not proposing a better solution, hence the broken record syndrome.

Brian legal guns can not be bought like candy. Full stop. That has been shown.

Those guns that can are illegal. Olb putting more guns in the market necessarily leads to more of a chance that legal guns become illegal guns and an increase in non criminal gun deaths. Full stop . That’s been shown as well.

Can we now talk about a better solution than this piecemeal posturing? Probably not here because what’s going on in this thread isnt new news or noteworthy.

Bullshit. I suffer depression and anxiety. I have a gun shop less than a mile away from me. I have no criminal record, I have no violent felony. Now sure, when I go to the grocery store and buy a Snickers candy bar, they scan the bar code, I pay and walk out. Maybe this store makes me wait 10 minutes, a half hour, or a day. Our laws SUCK compared to the rest of the world. 

You are being pedantic. I walk into a gun shop they do a computer check, sure that takes longer, but it is really not sufficient. Gun shops don't do psychological evaluations, they don't mandate physical training. I could literally go to the gun shop down the road right now and buy a firearm based on my state's current laws. I don't know what the individual store policy is on how much time I have to wait, but I damned sure know that I could legally buy one if I wanted.

Gun shops aren’t supposed to do psychological evaluations or mandate physical training. They’re gun shops. 

Boru

(July 19, 2021 at 6:06 pm)tackattack Wrote: So you’d have to lie on questions 23e and f on a 4473, which is a felony, to acquire a gun legally, if it’s not already a boot out of the background check?

I will never apply to purchase a firearm so I don't have to worry about lying. But for those who have applied, can go in thinking they don't have problems and think they are ok, even if they are not qualified. How many stories have you heard in the news of people who had no record of even mental illness, go in and purchase a legal firearm, only to end up committing suicide, or worse, have financial problems and kill their partner to avoid a divorce? It happens all the time. 

The idea that everyone will answer a question on a form honestly is bullshit. And lots of people go into buying ANYTHING, not just guns, but anything and sign a contract and think they can handle what they are getting into, even being honest, only to fuck up after the contract.

Even outside the issue of guns. I might not have bought the new house I am living in now, if I knew the problems I am currently having with it. I got caught up in the newness aspect of a new home. I ran into problems after the sale. 

I don't care if someone is intentually lying or mentally ill, or is not aware they are in over their head, or have ill intent at time of purchase. Our vetting system sucks.

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(July 19, 2021 at 6:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 19, 2021 at 5:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Bullshit. I suffer depression and anxiety. I have a gun shop less than a mile away from me. I have no criminal record, I have no violent felony. Now sure, when I go to the grocery store and buy a Snickers candy bar, they scan the bar code, I pay and walk out. Maybe this store makes me wait 10 minutes, a half hour, or a day. Our laws SUCK compared to the rest of the world. 

You are being pedantic. I walk into a gun shop they do a computer check, sure that takes longer, but it is really not sufficient. Gun shops don't do psychological evaluations, they don't mandate physical training. I could literally go to the gun shop down the road right now and buy a firearm based on my state's current laws. I don't know what the individual store policy is on how much time I have to wait, but I damned sure know that I could legally buy one if I wanted.

Gun shops aren’t supposed to do psychological evaluations or mandate physical training. They’re gun shops. 

Boru

Not supposed to. Yea and? Why shouldn't they?

Lets let car dealerships sell cars to 5 year olds.

(July 19, 2021 at 6:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 19, 2021 at 6:06 pm)tackattack Wrote: So you’d have to lie on questions 23e and f on a 4473, which is a felony, to acquire a gun legally, if it’s not already a boot out of the background check?

I will never apply to purchase a firearm so I don't have to worry about lying. But for those who have applied, can go in thinking they don't have problems and think they are ok, even if they are not qualified. How many stories have you heard in the news of people who had no record of even mental illness, go in and purchase a legal firearm, only to end up committing suicide, or worse, have financial problems and kill their partner to avoid a divorce? It happens all the time. 

The idea that everyone will answer a question on a form honestly is bullshit. And lots of people go into buying ANYTHING, not just guns, but anything and sign a contract and think they can handle what they are getting into, even being honest, only to fuck up after the contract.

Even outside the issue of guns. I might not have bought the new house I am living in now, if I knew the problems I am currently having with it. I got caught up in the newness aspect of a new home. I ran into problems after the sale. 

I don't care if someone is intentually lying or mentally ill, or is not aware they are in over their head, or have ill intent at time of purchase. Our vetting system sucks.

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(July 19, 2021 at 6:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Gun shops aren’t supposed to do psychological evaluations or mandate physical training. They’re gun shops. 

Boru

Not supposed to. Yea and? Why shouldn't they?

Lets let car dealerships sell cars to 5 year olds.

They shouldn’t because they are in the business of selling firearms. They’re neither psychologists nor training providers.

And cars are really a stupid analogy. Is a car dealership responsible for teaching you how to drive, or to make sure your psychologically fit to drive? No. Why? Because it isn’t their responsibility. What they do is make sure you have a valid license and insurance (if required). But these are taken care of by other agencies, not car dealers.

Boru