The new Texas bill outlaws abortion once a fetal heartbeat can be detected...usually by six weeks when women often don't even realize they are pregnant.

I was listening to the local radio station while out running work errands and that news played over and over including a lady who said that in the last couple days the clinics have been inundated with women trying to beat the new law.

This tweet is great:

https://twitter.com/DoctorHenryCT/status...8321927172

Quote:Voter suppression laws are passed to intimidate people from voting for fear of being arrested. I hope a consequence of the Texas abortion law is that women decide that it's not worth having sex with men in Texas for fear of pregnancy and the intended consequences of the law.

(August 31, 2021 at 9:37 pm)Foxaire Wrote: Texas is always attempting to pass absurd laws. They never succeed.

And it's now law.

To everyone who told people that SCOTUS doesn't matter in 2016 and they just couldn't vote for the E-mail lady: this is on you.

Hillary was right about everything.

Best part about the bill....there's no heart at 6 weeks.

Any bets on what's next? Gay marriage, gender discrimination....maybe? Seems like some things they might want to deal with while winding the clock backwards. Neither of them are safer than abortion was.

(September 1, 2021 at 4:24 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(September 1, 2021 at 1:52 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The most common argument made by nutters who try to pass laws like these is also the most hypocritical: that life beings at conception, therefore a foetus is a person so abortion is murder. They don’t believe it, and they KNOW they don’t believe it.

Boru

The Catholic church officially DOES believe this.  A soul is created at the moment of conception, and therefore for every egg that gets a sperm, that soul will eventually knock on the gates of heaven, and will help condemn those who helped with an abortion.

That's actually only been their position since 1869 and actually runs contrary to anything in the bible, and more importantly (because souls are involved), all the writings of the church fathers on whose writings dogma is supposed to be based. Before that date the catholic position was that abortions were a-ok until ensoulment which, depending on who you talked to, happened somewhere between 40 days and 13 weeks. Yes there were catholic "intellectuals" who were totally anti-abortion but until Pius IX (he of papal infallibility and as thick as mince) took up their cause they were very much a fringe group.

(September 2, 2021 at 2:34 pm)Nomad Wrote: That's actually only been their position since 1869 and actually runs contrary to anything in the bible, and more importantly (because souls are involved), all the writings of the church fathers on whose writings dogma is supposed to be based.  Before that date the catholic position was that abortions were a-ok until ensoulment which, depending on who you talked to, happened somewhere between 40 days and 13 weeks.  Yes there were catholic "intellectuals" who were totally anti-abortion but until Pius IX (he of papal infallibility and as thick as mince) took up their cause they were very much a fringe group.

Yes, I thought I had heard that until recently, the entry of the soul was considered to be when the fetus starts to kick.

Abortion used to be called "the catholic issue" - as in in living memory..by protestants, who didn't share such concern with it. Today, protestants advance that cause more competently than catholics...though even protestants (apperently) prefer to rely on catholics, rather than their fellow protestants..in positions of authority, to cosign this revulsion.

To make the veins in their necks stand out, here’s a good hypothetical to pose to the anti-woman crowd:

You’re at a fertility clinic (doesn’t matter why - maybe you just stopped in to use the toilet).  Suddenly, the fire alarms go off and the place begins to fill with smoke - this is a real fire, not a false alarm. On your way to the exit, you pass an open door. Inside, there’s a two year old child, crying and screaming in terror. Going in to rescue the child (yay, you!), you see that the room also contains a cryocase labeled ‘100 VIABLE HUMAN EMBRYOS’. It isn’t possible to save both the child and the embryos - one or the other. No one else is near enough to assist in the rescue.

These are you choices:

A) Save a living, breathing, thinking human being at the cost of 100 potential lives

B) Save 100 fertilized ova, each of which has the potential to become a living, breathing, thinking human being and leave the toddler to burn to death.

C) There is no third option. If you try to save both, you all die.

What do you do?

Boru

(August 31, 2021 at 9:34 pm)Cecelia Wrote: https://www.thenation.com/article/societ...rtion-law/

Unless the conservative majority Supreme Court steps in (which it seems unlikely to do), Roe V. Wade may be made functionally useless by a Texas Law.

Quote:But there is another aspect of this Texas law that is extreme, even by conservatives’ forced-birth standards. The Texas law, known as SB 8, places a cash bounty on abortion providers and empowers any citizen to come collect.

The law stipulates that any US citizen can sue a Texas abortion provider, or sue a person suspected of “aiding or abetting” abortion services. The plaintiffs don’t even have to be residents of Texas to sue Texans suspected of helping people make private choices. Should the lawsuit prevail, the person who brought the suit will receive $10,000, plus attorney fees. Texas has created a cash incentive to haul not just doctors and nurses into court but also lawyers, reproductive rights counselors, and even receptionists.

This is absolutely insane! And not enough people are talking about it. This is why McConnell et al wanted Kavanaugh and Barrett on the court.

The GOP are pro birth, not pro life. They think they are better than the Taliban. They certainly are acting like they want to be the Taliban.