(September 22, 2021 at 7:36 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Bill Gates says something about quantum dots, and idiots take that to mean electronics in vaccines.  It's his own damn fault.  His and Job's.

The internet was way better before stupid people could get here.  Thanks, Windows.

Yeah, back then the idiocy was mostly in September when incoming Freshman classes would discover Usenet.

Then came AOL and Eternal September.

(September 22, 2021 at 9:10 am)Ranjr Wrote: Where are we now, 25 years of Windows?  I was good with DOS and thought Dos Shell was super cool.

After noticing the trend early on, I skip every other upgrade.  For example, 3.1 was okay.  95 was glitchy.  98 was better.  2000 & ME, why tho?  XP was tight.  Vista was Vista.  7 still works fairly well.  8 was wtf.  10 is alright.  From that, I don't expect much from 11 and will hold off until the next release.

This is a great summary of the Windows updates over the years.

I hate to have to upgrade and do so only when forced due to my old version becoming incompatible with some site or software that I have to use or that I like to use. I have found that it's not bad to buy a laptop after the release of a new version of Windows when you can still get the old one and it will be cheaper...kind of like buying last year's car model. I am pretty happy with 10 and hope that I am not forced to upgrade in order to use the programs I have to use for work. At the very least, I want at least six months to pass with a new version so they have found and fixed a bunch of the inevitable bugs.

(September 22, 2021 at 9:25 pm)Jackalope Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 7:36 pm)Ranjr Wrote: Bill Gates says something about quantum dots, and idiots take that to mean electronics in vaccines.  It's his own damn fault.  His and Job's.

The internet was way better before stupid people could get here.  Thanks, Windows.

Yeah, back then the idiocy was mostly in September when incoming Freshman classes would discover Usenet.

Then came AOL and Eternal September.

Somewhat. Usenet wasn't so big on freeze peaches and social media wasn't yet a thing. Facebook and Twitter and such gave idiots a nesting place.

(September 22, 2021 at 9:47 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 9:25 pm)Jackalope Wrote: Yeah, back then the idiocy was mostly in September when incoming Freshman classes would discover Usenet.

Then came AOL and Eternal September.

Somewhat.  Usenet wasn't so big on freeze peaches and social media wasn't yet a thing.  Facebook and Twitter gave idiots a nesting place that was always warm.

Yeah that was Eternal September ^ n.

(September 22, 2021 at 9:41 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 9:10 am)Ranjr Wrote: Where are we now, 25 years of Windows?  I was good with DOS and thought Dos Shell was super cool.

After noticing the trend early on, I skip every other upgrade.  For example, 3.1 was okay.  95 was glitchy.  98 was better.  2000 & ME, why tho?  XP was tight.  Vista was Vista.  7 still works fairly well.  8 was wtf.  10 is alright.  From that, I don't expect much from 11 and will hold off until the next release.

This is a great summary of the Windows updates over the years.  

I hate to have to upgrade and do so only when forced due to my old version becoming incompatible with some site or software that I have to use or that I like to use.  I have found that it's not bad to buy a laptop after the release of a new version of Windows when you can still get the old one and it will be cheaper...kind of like buying last year's car model.  I am pretty happy with 10 and hope that I am not forced to upgrade in order to use the programs I have to use for work.  At the very least, I want at least six months to pass with a new version so they have found and fixed a bunch of the inevitable bugs.

That is the problem with consumption of any product in general. Nothing today is made to last. Not TVs or cars or cell phones or even lighters. No matter the product worldwide, giant corporations would rather make cheap crap you get depended on, then offer you up a replacement in shorter order. It is great for the prophets of the CEO and shareholders. But it sucks long term for humanity.

(September 22, 2021 at 10:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 9:41 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: This is a great summary of the Windows updates over the years.  

I hate to have to upgrade and do so only when forced due to my old version becoming incompatible with some site or software that I have to use or that I like to use.  I have found that it's not bad to buy a laptop after the release of a new version of Windows when you can still get the old one and it will be cheaper...kind of like buying last year's car model.  I am pretty happy with 10 and hope that I am not forced to upgrade in order to use the programs I have to use for work.  At the very least, I want at least six months to pass with a new version so they have found and fixed a bunch of the inevitable bugs.

That is the problem with consumption of any product in general. Nothing today is made to last. Not TVs or cars or cell phones or even lighters. No matter the product worldwide, giant corporations would rather make cheap crap you get depended on, then offer you up a replacement in shorter order. It is great for the prophets of the CEO and shareholders. But it sucks long term for humanity.

Do you ever find yourself making posts that actually address the subject under discussion or is everything just a springboard for issuing ex cathedra your worldly wisdom that nobody asked for?

(September 22, 2021 at 8:24 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The mess we are in now, as far as monopolies are concerned, at least with America, began when Reagan successfully busted the air traffic control unions. Citizens United was gas on the already  burning fire that came decades later. 

Before that, back in the 70s the most memorable anti monopoly bust  for me was when our Supreme Court broke up the Bell Telephone company. 

Companies like Windows or Apple or Google or Walmart or Amazon and even banks, are getting away far to much of mergers and exploitation because they are so big.

The mess didn't begin with Reagan, a former union president, busting unions, but I agree workers took a hit and bosses got a bump from his presidency.  That not only bucked a trend, it began a sustained one.

My favorite operating systems are the ones I set inside my own damn brackets.

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(September 22, 2021 at 10:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: That is the problem with consumption of any product in general. Nothing today is made to last. Not TVs or cars or cell phones or even lighters. No matter the product worldwide, giant corporations would rather make cheap crap you get depended on, then offer you up a replacement in shorter order. It is great for the prophets of the CEO and shareholders. But it sucks long term for humanity.

Bullshit.  My old panasonic plasma is still sweet and the tacoma has 190k miles, many brutal, and will see another 50k easy.  Be a smart consumer and take care of your shit.

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(September 22, 2021 at 9:41 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: This is a great summary of the Windows updates over the years.  

I hate to have to upgrade and do so only when forced due to my old version becoming incompatible with some site or software that I have to use or that I like to use.  I have found that it's not bad to buy a laptop after the release of a new version of Windows when you can still get the old one and it will be cheaper...kind of like buying last year's car model.  I am pretty happy with 10 and hope that I am not forced to upgrade in order to use the programs I have to use for work.  At the very least, I want at least six months to pass with a new version so they have found and fixed a bunch of the inevitable bugs.

Software is ever the work in progress.  As much as engineers hate kludge, patching software is way easier than tacking parts on a board.  It's mostly a blessing but still a curse.

(September 22, 2021 at 10:08 pm)Angrboda Wrote:

(September 22, 2021 at 10:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: That is the problem with consumption of any product in general. Nothing today is made to last. Not TVs or cars or cell phones or even lighters. No matter the product worldwide, giant corporations would rather make cheap crap you get depended on, then offer you up a replacement in shorter order. It is great for the prophets of the CEO and shareholders. But it sucks long term for humanity.

Do you ever find yourself making posts that actually address the subject under discussion or is everything just a springboard for issuing ex cathedra your worldly wisdom that nobody asked for?

Ooo, ooo! I know this one! Pick me, pick me!!

Boru

(September 22, 2021 at 12:08 pm)polymath257 Wrote: I run Linux Mint. Never liked Windoze.

I'm running Ubuntu with Cinnamon desktop. I still maintain a Win10 drive on a dual boot system for a couple games and a couple apps that won't run in Wine and don't have adequate replacements in Linux, but I have no plans to upgrade to 11 though.

I bought a pixelbook a few years ago. Haven't used windows since.