(September 27, 2021 at 2:51 pm)UniverseCaptain Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 2:50 pm)Lawz Wrote: QFT

You’re wrong. Twice.

Here’s a quote from national geographic :
Neither race nor ethnicity is detectable in the human genome. Humans do have genetic variations, some of which were once associated with ancestry from different parts of the world

I need tp think on with this one...interesting topic...oh so tempting to be affirmed as part of an immutable group/ethnicity...be wary Lawz, be wary....

(September 27, 2021 at 2:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 2:55 pm)UniverseCaptain Wrote: Ethnicity is a social construct not genetic. Culturally number one definition :

1.
in a way that relates to the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of different societies.

Cultures are socially constructed too

So why can Atheism not be an ethnicity other than you thinking stupid and silly? Any logical substance?

See my edit, above. Even among the small sampling of atheists on this forum, there doesn’t appear to be a unique or even common set of values and practices.

Boru

Ethnicity seems quite vague to me as it’s made up so thought I’d ask. I think Atheism is quite a big thing to have in common if you don’t identify ethnically elsewhere, just an idea anyway

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(September 27, 2021 at 3:05 pm)Lawz Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 2:51 pm)UniverseCaptain Wrote: You’re wrong. Twice.

Here’s a quote from national geographic :
Neither race nor ethnicity is detectable in the human genome. Humans do have genetic variations, some of which were once associated with ancestry from different parts of the world

I need tp think on with this one...interesting topic...oh so tempting to be affirmed as part of an immutable group/ethnicity...be wary Lawz, be wary....

You are finding it difficult to accept you’re wrong.
Nothing you say will change that. Brian is actually making sense now … but you are struggling, a lot.

Apparently Lawz has greater social weight than national geographic and other sources!

I am happy to debate but ethnicity isn’t genetic
That’s clear. It’s made up

My (late) father bought me a copy of The God Delusion for my 21st birthday, yet later "converted" to Christianity. Did he change his ethnicity? Is that possible? A dunno...

(September 27, 2021 at 3:06 pm)UniverseCaptain Wrote: Ethnicity seems quite vague to me as it’s made up so thought I’d ask. I think Atheism is quite a big thing to have in common if you don’t identify ethnically elsewhere, just an idea anyway

Are you just using a basic dictionary definition for ethnicity? Or are you using an actual scholarly definition for it? Basic dictionary is going to give you something vague because it's offering a basic usage for a word.

What would be the defining attributes of atheism as an ethnicity? What would separate atheism from other ethnicities?

(September 27, 2021 at 3:10 pm)Lawz Wrote: My (late) father bought me a copy of The God Delusion for my 21st birthday, yet later "converted" to Christianity. Did he change his ethnicity? Is that possible? A dunno...

I suggest you research the relationship between ethnicity and religion including recognised ethnic religions from a social standpoint . The deciding factor is all of this is made up so I don’t see why I can’t do this personally, I think it can be made that basic.

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(September 27, 2021 at 3:14 pm)Ten Wrote:

(September 27, 2021 at 3:06 pm)UniverseCaptain Wrote: Ethnicity seems quite vague to me as it’s made up so thought I’d ask. I think Atheism is quite a big thing to have in common if you don’t identify ethnically elsewhere, just an idea anyway

Are you just using a basic dictionary definition for ethnicity? Or are you using an actual scholarly definition for it? Basic dictionary is going to give you something vague because it's offering a basic usage for a word.

What would be the defining attributes of atheism as an ethnicity? What would separate atheism from other ethnicities?

Not thought about defining it. I just posted this without much thought since I don’t align with any of the ethncities. An atheist wouldn’t have to be ethnically atheist, they might cpnsoder themselves to be ethnically something else and still an atheist. I still think it should be a thing if you don’t identify ethnically elsewhere. I think that opens it up enough to be a thing, not read scholarly papers though

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But the way some mixed / biracial people identify as one specific race (or two or more out of multiple) and it’s socially allowed. Not sure how this is really any different as an idea ,
Not to mention they let people identify as all sorts of different genders and non binary genders now. The real thing is even if you don’t think of yourself as ethnically Atheist I don’t see why it shouldn’t be allowed at this point . I believe any atheist could also be more than one ethnicity too because of this (if atheism is recognised ethnically). It’s a question if Brian is right and then no ethnicity is wiser - not sure what repercussions no ethnicity has socially either though hence the thread. I will treat this like the moon landing. The first or one of the first to identify as ethnically atheist.

Think I’ve said enough! Nothing else to add so it can be a free for all now ha ha

Atheism, at its most basic, is just not being convinced that a god or gods exist. For me, atheism is an epistemological position.

Not sure how that can be an ethnicity, by any definition or vagueness of the word.

Before I’m willing to accept atheism as an ethnicity, I’ll need evidence for widespread commonalities in:

-Atheist music

-Atheist dress

-Atheist cuisine

-Atheist celebrations 

-Atheist naming culture

-Atheist literature

-Atheist agricultural practices

Etc, etc.

Until and unless that happens…nah.

Boru

(September 27, 2021 at 3:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Before I’m willing to accept atheism as an ethnicity, I’ll need evidence for widespread commonalities in:

-Atheist music

-Atheist dress

-Atheist cuisine

-Atheist celebrations 

-Atheist naming culture

-Atheist literature

-Atheist agricultural practices

Etc, etc.

Until and unless that happens…nah.

Boru

Atheism is about free choice though as an individual rather than being boxed in . It would be a post post modern ethnicity and be a ground breaking ethnicity that was the point of putting that part in the op

Here's a question. Why would we want to be an ethnicity?

(September 27, 2021 at 4:08 pm)UniverseCaptain Wrote: Atheism is about free choice though as an individual rather than being boxed in . It would be a post post modern ethnicity and be a ground breaking ethnicity   that was the point of putting that part in the op

Ethnicity may be an arbitrary human construct, but we understand what it means.

The set of "people that hang around in an atheist chatroom" is not an ethnicity, despite being another arbitrary construct.