(October 7, 2021 at 9:06 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(October 7, 2021 at 8:59 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Kevin Hart? I'm talking about stand-up comedy shows, not movies. No one on the planet respects Kevin Hart more than Dave Chappelle when it comes to comedy. And Amy Schumer is in the top ten?

8 % audience score.  https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/amy_schumer_growing 92 % think she's shit. Leather special rating was one star or something like that I believe. Netflix had to change the ratings system just to try to make her look better. Maybe if it was one of the few actual funny women on the planet like Roseanne Barr or someone like that, I might take your list even a little seriously. Roseanne is a woman that can actually bring in the ratings, and still would be if they didn't kick her off of her own show.

It's not my list...dumbass.

Dave Chappell is old news trying to climb up and be relevent again.  He screwed the pooch years ago.  You are just to stupid to see it.

It's not your list, sure, but you are presenting it as evidence, and if you stand by the list you posted, you are claiming Amy Schumer is top ten popularity on the planet, meanwhile she's getting 8 % approval ratings on her stand-up comedy. I don't think you thought this through very well.

(October 7, 2021 at 9:14 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(October 7, 2021 at 9:06 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: It's not my list...dumbass.

Dave Chappell is old news trying to climb up and be relevent again.  He screwed the pooch years ago.  You are just to stupid to see it.

It's not your list, sure, but you are presenting it as evidence, and if you stand by the list you posted, you are claiming Amy Schumer is top ten popularity on the planet, meanwhile she's getting 8 % approval ratings on her stand-up comedy. I don't think you thought this through very well.

Dave Chappell is not the top comedian. He may have been at one time but he isn't now.

(October 7, 2021 at 9:12 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(October 7, 2021 at 8:46 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Maybe in your world...

So without further ado, here are the most popular comedians in the world:

https://writtenfacts.com/most-popular-co...le%206%206.

1 Chris Rock
2 Kevin Hart
3 Tig Notaro
4 Bill Burr
5 Dave Chappelle
6 Jim Gaffigan
7 Jerry Seinfeld
8 Mike Birbiglia  
9 Louis C.K
10 Amy Schumer


But we already knew to be skeptical of anything you present as fact.

Looking at that Louis CK entry, I could tell this was out of date. It still talks like he's doing Louie and mentions nothing about his making a perverted ass out of himself. For what it's worth, here's another list more recent: https://www.humorsearch.com/2021-standup...ns-ranked/

Chappelle's at #2, second only to Bill Burr. That said,  I'm not sure how someone can objectively rank them, though. Is there some sort of RateYourMusic/TheyShootPicturesDontThey/AcclaimedMusic style consensus ranking of stand-up comedians?

Well, if we just look at the money they're getting for their Netflix specials, the top two Netflix deals are Jerry Seinfeld, who Netflix is paying just over $ 500 million to for a five year deal. Dave Chappelle got the 2nd highest payday earlier in 2016, with $ 60 million, but that was only for three specials.

You are an idiot. But we knew that.

Still waiting on the definition of a "woman"

(October 7, 2021 at 8:50 pm)Foxaire Wrote: Remembering Matthew Shepard, whose brutal murder sparked a national reckoning on homophobia
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/07/ma...ime-death/

One thing that this is reminding me of, there used to be a show called Titus. It's based around the stand-up comedy of Christopher Titus and his dysfunctional family, and one of the characters was his coworker Tommy. He acted like a camp stereotype, but he was actually straight. Why? Because it turned out his dad, who seemed to be the one who did the most work socialising him as a kid, actually was gay. In one episode, his dad actually did come out as gay, and then got beaten up for it.

And they actually mentioned Matthew Shepherd in a brief aside, and it's one of the most powerful bits in the series (scene 17:45):



He gets so much out of simply explaining the facts of the case twice. The first time, it's just stating the facts, but the second time, he's saying it like he wants to say "Seriously? Homosexuality is a good reason to kill a guy? Seriously?" And I can't find the actual quote, but when I got into the series over a decade ago, I remembered him saying that he thought it would be important for him to do an episode like that because he knew that while there were shows like Will and Grace (and maybe other gay shows in 2002), the people who needed to learn the lesson about how bad homophobia is weren't watching those shows. Admittedly, they probably weren't watching Titus either, mostly because Fox had so little faith in the show that, at one point, Titus had to go over an entire episode and explain why the episode was supposed to be funny (in that case, an episode where the cast held an intervention with Titus' Dad to get him to start drinking again), and consequently, it had little advertising and Fox didn't give enough of a shit to let it have an audience. At least they gave it three seasons before they decided to cancel it because Titus wouldn't break up with his wife (they insisted on it because Dharma and Greg, and because it was actually based on his life and the big divorce didn't happen yet, he refused to and it was canceled).

Quote:Still waiting on the definition of a "woman"

Well, you can wait forever because of nobody's interested in playing your disingenuous games. Diaper Boy

(October 7, 2021 at 9:22 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(October 7, 2021 at 9:12 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Looking at that Louis CK entry, I could tell this was out of date. It still talks like he's doing Louie and mentions nothing about his making a perverted ass out of himself. For what it's worth, here's another list more recent: https://www.humorsearch.com/2021-standup...ns-ranked/

Chappelle's at #2, second only to Bill Burr. That said,  I'm not sure how someone can objectively rank them, though. Is there some sort of RateYourMusic/TheyShootPicturesDontThey/AcclaimedMusic style consensus ranking of stand-up comedians?

Well, if we just look at the money they're getting for their Netflix specials, the top two Netflix deals are Jerry Seinfeld, who Netflix is paying just over $ 500 million to for a five year deal. Dave Chappelle got the 2nd highest payday earlier in 2016, with $ 60 million, but that was only for three specials.

Is there a reason we’re assuming that I’m not acutely aware that there’s a difference between how much money the suits at a company are willing to shell out for somebody and how good their work is right now? Or for that matter, how well it does with the audiences?

(October 7, 2021 at 8:39 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Dave Chappelle doesn't know the difference between gender and sex. He seems to think they are the same thing. He's far from an expert on this subject and on these terms, but he's certainly not a "radical" feminist in the first place, so he can't be a TERF without first being a radical feminist. In fact, he said he just found out what feminist means, so clearly this isn't an area he's been studying for years or anything. Can people be offended by him calling himself TERF? Sure. He said far worse things in the stand-up special though. Said he enjoyed being raped by a priest. Compared his body fighting coronavirus to black people on the street attacking Asians, basically equating Chinese people with the virus. It's supposed to be offensive, but I don't think Dave actually understands what a TERF really is, and he clearly said he respects trans enough to call them what they want to be called, and he said he's not saying they're not women, but he thinks gender is fact. I believe he means sex AKA chromosomes and body parts are fact, but I'll call you a woman if you want to be called one, which you can call an undereducated opinion, but he's not intentionally being hateful at all to trans people imo.

But yeah, one of the first responses in this thread was about Dave Chappelle thinking trans people were some kind of non human monsters, and this is the kind of nonsense you will hear from many trans activists. "You won't even acknowledge that I'm a human being" and "your speech is violence so you need to be silenced". It's nonsense.

That's not what I said. I said he's taking on a label for himself that has harmful, damaging consequences for real people, popularizing it and validating those who would use it for excluding trans people and invalidating our identities. He may be uneducated, I don't know. Benefit of the doubt and I haven't once said that I thought he himself was targeting trans people or being malicious. But he should be called out for shooting from the hip and giving platform to hateful ideas.

The funny thing is, it's not a joke. There are those people out there who will feel like it's okay now to say they're TERFs and to act on that, because ole Dave "said what we're all thinking; someone finally fucking said it." In this cultural climate, validating this mindset, whether Chapelle understands gender or the term TERF or not, it's not a joke to people who don't conform to the gender binary who are still getting victimized in the U.S. in 2021, and it's not a joke to the radicals who feel like they have a voice and a license now because a mainstream celebrity decides he wants us to laugh about these problems.

(October 7, 2021 at 8:50 pm)Foxaire Wrote: Remembering Matthew Shepard, whose brutal murder sparked a national reckoning on homophobia
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/07/ma...ime-death/

Explain how his murder has anything to do with homophobia if he was a meth dealer and in a sexual relationship with one of his killers?