(October 16, 2021 at 7:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 7:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Just because you’re a coward, don’t assume everyone else is.

Boru

I love the word "Coward". I will own it with a smile. I wish more of humanity were not fucking assholes bent on violence just to prove themselves. 

I am 5 feet 9, cant physically fight worth shit. I have no interest of loving Bruce Lee or Arnold outside of mere art. I don't know about you, but I love non violence and peace. Testosterone is highly overrated.

I don’t employ violence to ‘prove myself’ (I’m 6’4”, I don’t have to flaunt it). I employ violence to right wrongs and punish evildoers.

Boru

(October 16, 2021 at 7:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 7:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I love the word "Coward". I will own it with a smile. I wish more of humanity were not fucking assholes bent on violence just to prove themselves. 

I am 5 feet 9, cant physically fight worth shit. I have no interest of loving Bruce Lee or Arnold outside of mere art. I don't know about you, but I love non violence and peace. Testosterone is highly overrated.

I don’t employ violence to ‘prove myself’ (I’m 6’4”, I don’t have to flaunt it). I employ violence to right wrongs and punish evildoers.

Boru

Get a grip dude. Not everything is about you.

In general, I hate the way human psychology works worldwide. I hate that small guys and tall guys always need guns. I hate that small women and tall women always need to explain to men, not all men, but far to many, that they are just as important.

I hate that my species cares more about tribalism than survival. 

You employ violence to right wrongs to punish "evildoers".

Yea ok, pretty sure that Osama thought the same thing. 

I am pretty sure you are NOT an "evildoer", but simply someone whom doesn't like me.

(October 16, 2021 at 7:02 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Helios Wrote: I would push more towards negligence

You cant do that. Millions of people watched two towers go down. And just on the planes alone, those four planes, only one set of passengers realized it was a suicide mission. So by this logic, the other 3 planes were aiding and abetting because they didn't confront the people that murdered them.

This is a terrible analogy. Nothing about what happened on 9/11 is comparable to this story. The guy was mid-coitus, not flying a 90,000 pound death trap on a suicide mission. These observers didn’t even call 911. That’s inexcusable.

Quote:or some thought it was a kinky couple.

This is a stretch on the verge of absurdity.

@BrianSoddingBoru4 didn’t you realize that feeling a sense of moral obligation to intervene in a rape is equivalent to being Osama bin Laden?

Now I’ve fucking heard everything.

(October 16, 2021 at 8:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @BrianSoddingBoru4 didn’t you realize that feeling a sense of moral obligation to intervene in a rape is equivalent to being Osama bin Laden?

Now I’ve fucking heard everything.

It was either going to be bin Laden or Hitler...or maybe 'Po Pot'.

(October 16, 2021 at 8:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 8:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @BrianSoddingBoru4 didn’t you realize that feeling a sense of moral obligation to intervene in a rape is equivalent to being Osama bin Laden?

Now I’ve fucking heard everything.

It was either going to be bin Laden or Hitler...or maybe 'Po Pot'.

Or Trump. 😏

(October 16, 2021 at 6:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 16, 2021 at 6:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Bystanders should all be charged with aiding and abetting.

No, I don't agree. If you were not a part of a crime, and you fear for your life, or injury, you cannot make it a crime when you had no pre knowledge of the event.

I get the intent of wanting to help. I seriously get that intent. But it is crazy to convict someone whom was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time as being complicit in the moment.

The better argument in law, would be way after the fact, when you didn't report your observations. That would be a better case. But even then, the threats of the murderer can keep an innocent person silent. 

Quite sure, and would bet my life that is how John Gotti got away with all his crimes and violence as long as he did.

Nope.

If you're willing to stand by and witness someone getting raped and not do a thing about it, that speaks volumes of the individual as a person.

If it was gunmen and you are unarmed or in direct fear for your life, that's one thing. But sitting by as someone gets raped is another.

But, of course, this is in a country that won't indict a former president for his own admitted crimes, but will put a bounty out on a woman who gets an abortion.

Honestly, something as minimal as a finger in the guy’s ass would have probably been enough to stop the crime.

(October 16, 2021 at 8:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Honestly, something as minimal as a finger in the guy’s ass would have probably been enough to stop the crime.

I just want to know where all the "good guys with guns" were.

Oh, right, carrying assault weapons in Subway to intimidate the staff and customers to prove what a he-man he is...

(October 16, 2021 at 1:53 pm)Ten Wrote: Or, possibly, "Surely, SOMEONE will do something. ...Else, someone else will do something."

As someone who's read a  lot in psychology, this is the most likely explanation for how people (particularly in a crowd) can just sit by and do nothing when they know someone near them is getting raped. If one person watches such a crime in progress, they're more likely to do something. Every bystander to a crime, each individual person is going to think "surely, someone else's going to do something." I can once remember taking a psych course and the teacher actually mentioned a strategy some people used to rectify this problem: singling out someone specific in the crowd asking them to do something. 

Also, one thing I should mention: I recently watched Irreversible and there's a scene where Monica Bellucci gets raped. It's done in a single take that's over 13-and-a-half minutes long, and we see everything from her walking home to her stumbling on La Tenia raping another woman, and deciding to not only rape her, but beat her into a coma, and the single take style makes it feel like you're actually witnessing it.  And, as a bonus, there's actually someone in the background who witnesses it and just walks away as soon as he figured out what was happening. And given that the later/earlier (it's structured Memento-style) scenes show he has some stupefyingly good luck when someone actually does take action against him, not to mention how difficult it is to sexual assault, it makes a depressing amount of sense.  

I hope to Hell this is the closest I ever come to seeing such a scenario in real life.