(November 2, 2021 at 7:27 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 7:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What awty said. No one is suing Yankovic (not over this, at least). Spencer Elden, who was the baby on the original cover, is suing the surviving members of Nirvana because his image was used without his permission (even though he was four months old at the time).

Boru

Weird  Al only parodied the original cover of the Nirvana Album. Now if you are talking about the original Nirvana Album jacket, that is a separate issue. I don't think we are in disagreement.

We ARE in disagreement. You think Yankovic is being sued. He isn’t.

Boru

(November 2, 2021 at 4:05 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Oh - it' s for a MOVIE.......


That makes it alllll better....


Jesus - you have some fucked up ideas in your head.

Of course it matters. Context is everything. It's the same as saying if I drive my car in the real world I am responsible for the safety of said car. Which is true if I am the owner. If someone hands me a car (such as, say on a movie set) and asks me to drive the car for a scene in the movie, the car then has faulty brakes and I run someone over would you then say "well you were driving the car, you should have checked the brakes". 

Which in the scenario of acting is of course, ridiculous, as the responsibility for making sure any equipment I am supplied on set by my employer is fit for purpose, and works as described. If Baldwin had brought his own gun to the set, then you would be right, however you are not. 

If I am doing a scene with a realistic looking - but soft - rubber knife and I have to convincingly stab someone, but the assistant hands me a real knife instead, I am not to blame.

So I think your ideas are completely fucked up.... and I am glad I don't live in your world. 

BTW. You calling me Jesus should be slightly offensive to me as an Atheist? 

(November 2, 2021 at 4:39 pm)brewer Wrote: I wonder if Alec would have checked the gun (or insisted that it be checked) if he knew that it, during practice, was going to be aimed at him?

Any sensible person would.

Only a mindless drone would go along with " trust me - it' s safe"...

.....

You know why our nuclear weapons take two men to turn keys simultaneously to fire them?

Because ANYBODY. - even a guy on the nuclear trigger can go off on a nut...... 


The second guy is a failsafe.

Mr Baldwin should have been the second man.

(November 2, 2021 at 7:37 pm)slartibartfast Wrote: Of course it matters. Context is everything. It's the same as saying if I drive my car in the real world I am responsible for the safety of said car. Which is true if I am the owner. If someone hands me a car (such as, say on a movie set) and asks me to drive the car for a scene in the movie, the car then has faulty brakes and I run someone over would you then say "well you were driving the car, you should have checked the brakes". 

Which in the scenario of acting is of course, ridiculous, as the responsibility for making sure any equipment I am supplied on set by my employer is fit for purpose, and works as described. If Baldwin had brought his own gun to the set, then you would be right, however you are not. 

If I am doing a scene with a realistic looking - but soft - rubber knife and I have to convincingly stab someone, but the assistant hands me a real knife instead, I am not to blame.

So I think your ideas are completely fucked up.... and I am glad I don't live in your world. 

BTW. You calling me Jesus should be slightly offensive to me as an Atheist? 

Does ANYONE check the brakes on a rental?

(November 2, 2021 at 7:53 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 7:37 pm)slartibartfast Wrote: Of course it matters. Context is everything. It's the same as saying if I drive my car in the real world I am responsible for the safety of said car. Which is true if I am the owner. If someone hands me a car (such as, say on a movie set) and asks me to drive the car for a scene in the movie, the car then has faulty brakes and I run someone over would you then say "well you were driving the car, you should have checked the brakes". 

Which in the scenario of acting is of course, ridiculous, as the responsibility for making sure any equipment I am supplied on set by my employer is fit for purpose, and works as described. If Baldwin had brought his own gun to the set, then you would be right, however you are not. 

If I am doing a scene with a realistic looking - but soft - rubber knife and I have to convincingly stab someone, but the assistant hands me a real knife instead, I am not to blame.

So I think your ideas are completely fucked up.... and I am glad I don't live in your world. 

BTW. You calling me Jesus should be slightly offensive to me as an Atheist? 

Does ANYONE check the brakes on a rental?

No, but if you are the owner of the rental company it matters. As much as I feel for Alec, he was the rental car company owner.

(November 2, 2021 at 8:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 7:53 pm)Spongebob Wrote: Does ANYONE check the brakes on a rental?

No, but if you are the owner of the rental company it matters. As much as I feel for Alec, he was the rental car company owner.

I'm pretty sure the owner of a rental car company pays someone to check the brakes.  The driver who rents the car certainly doesn't.  Yet they hand us the key and say have a great time.

Anything relevant was stated on the first page. Everything since then has just been hot air.

(November 2, 2021 at 9:12 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 8:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, but if you are the owner of the rental company it matters. As much as I feel for Alec, he was the rental car company owner.

I'm pretty sure the owner of a rental car company pays someone to check the brakes.  The driver who rents the car certainly doesn't.  Yet they hand us the key and say have a great time.

If every business could dump the responsibility on the user every time there something went south, there would be no use for criminal courts or civil courts.

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(November 2, 2021 at 9:12 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 8:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, but if you are the owner of the rental company it matters. As much as I feel for Alec, he was the rental car company owner.

I'm pretty sure the owner of a rental car company pays someone to check the brakes.  The driver who rents the car certainly doesn't.  Yet they hand us the key and say have a great time.

That is the point. He was the owner of the production of his movie. It seems at this point, the person he hired skipped steps. At a minimum he still is responsible for hiring sub par staff. 

A long time ago, I got a job washing vehicles at a car dealership. My job was to move vehicles throughout the lot to either wash them, or move them into the mechanic bay. One day they asked me to move a box truck into the mechanic bay. But what they did not tell me, and had no way of knowing, is that one end of the bay was inches shorter than the other end. I tried to drive the box truck into one end and pealed the top end of the box like a can of tuna. They literally had to flatten the tires to unstick the truck. The problem was that one end of the bay was shorter than the other end. But I didn't know this.

So while I get Alec's remorse, and I accept it, it still remains that he was the car dealership owner.

(November 2, 2021 at 7:37 pm)slartibartfast Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 4:05 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Oh - it' s for a MOVIE.......


That makes it alllll better....


Jesus - you have some fucked up ideas in your head.

Of course it matters. Context is everything. It's the same as saying if I drive my car in the real world I am responsible for the safety of said car. Which is true if I am the owner. If someone hands me a car (such as, say on a movie set) and asks me to drive the car for a scene in the movie, the car then has faulty brakes and I run someone over would you then say "well you were driving the car, you should have checked the brakes". 

Which in the scenario of acting is of course, ridiculous, as the responsibility for making sure any equipment I am supplied on set by my employer is fit for purpose, and works as described. If Baldwin had brought his own gun to the set, then you would be right, however you are not. 

If I am doing a scene with a realistic looking - but soft - rubber knife and I have to convincingly stab someone, but the assistant hands me a real knife instead, I am not to blame.

So I think your ideas are completely fucked up.... and I am glad I don't live in your world. 

BTW. You calling me Jesus should be slightly offensive to me as an Atheist? 

To use your first analogy, the situation in relation to the shooting on Rust is analogous to the following: you've sent your car in for a full service and gotten it back. The mechanic has told you, "yeah everything is good, oil checked, brakes, tyres, timing belt, lights, everything in order". Five minutes after leaving the garage you go to brake as you see a little old lady crossing the road 100 yards ahead and nothing happens. Without time to react you plough through the unfortunate pedestrian killing her. Who's at fault you, or the mechanic lying to you?

Now, in this specific case it's a bit more complicated than just the armourer or the ass. director being at fault, because it look's like there was a corporate culture of negligence at all levels, and if that is the case the senior management should be civilly and criminally liable as if they went up to Ms. Hutchins and shot her deliberately.

(November 2, 2021 at 7:37 pm)slartibartfast Wrote:

(November 2, 2021 at 4:05 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Oh - it' s for a MOVIE.......


That makes it alllll better....


Jesus - you have some fucked up ideas in your head.

Of course it matters. Context is everything. It's the same as saying if I drive my car in the real world I am responsible for the safety of said car. Which is true if I am the owner. If someone hands me a car (such as, say on a movie set) and asks me to drive the car for a scene in the movie, the car then has faulty brakes and I run someone over would you then say "well you were driving the car, you should have checked the brakes". 

Which in the scenario of acting is of course, ridiculous, as the responsibility for making sure any equipment I am supplied on set by my employer is fit for purpose, and works as described. If Baldwin had brought his own gun to the set, then you would be right, however you are not. 

If I am doing a scene with a realistic looking - but soft - rubber knife and I have to convincingly stab someone, but the assistant hands me a real knife instead, I am not to blame.

So I think your ideas are completely fucked up.... and I am glad I don't live in your world. 

BTW. You calling me Jesus should be slightly offensive to me as an Atheist? 

You can' t tell the difference between a real knife and a rubber one simply by picking it up?

You' re a moron.

If you can' t tell a real knife from a rubber one by simply doing a flex test of the blade -

You' re a fucking moron.

If you take someone's word for it that the deadly looking weapon they hand you is not deadly - and you kill someone with it you a fucking negligent moron.

And you should be placed in the cell next to Mr Baldwin.