(November 14, 2021 at 1:19 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 14, 2021 at 2:25 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: If you think there's too many traces of The Man Who Never Was in many transwomen to seriously consider them a sex partner, or if using the feminine penis just doesn't appeal to you, I can certainly sympathise. But that's no excuse to say they're not women. I don't want to fuck women with ugly feet or a Cluster B personality disorder. Or for that matter, a pro-lifer, but that doesn't mean they're not women. At most they're an aggregate of women you tend to not find attractive. And it certainly doesn't excuse this Day of the Rope horseshit.

It is interesting, because, where I live (Cedar Rapids, Iowa), the Republican Trifurcate governing the State refuses to pass a LGBT hate-crime law, in spite of the fact that there are those in Society who (no doubt strangers where I live) would like to see people like me put to death.  While "trick or treating" this year with my 10-year old daughter, one man gave us candy and then asked me, "Don't you walk in my front of my house every day?" to which I replied, "Well, sometimes."

But, it is true; his house is on a busy residential street where the police often drive, as it is a 1.5 mile stretch of 30 mph road with no stop signs, and so, yes, I do walk on the sidewalk in front of his house almost daily, as the police do seem to be a deterrent to people harassing me.

I thought you were in CR...that is where my brother has lived for several years. He and his wife and son are total Trump lovers as well as bigots. Needless to say, I don't have anything to do with him any more and only hear updates from our sister.

What I’m not understanding is why a trans person can have surgery for their body dysmorphia, but I can’t. There truly isn’t any difference but mine isn’t covered…

(November 14, 2021 at 1:38 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(November 14, 2021 at 1:19 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It is interesting, because, where I live (Cedar Rapids, Iowa), the Republican Trifurcate governing the State refuses to pass a LGBT hate-crime law, in spite of the fact that there are those in Society who (no doubt strangers where I live) would like to see people like me put to death.  While "trick or treating" this year with my 10-year old daughter, one man gave us candy and then asked me, "Don't you walk in my front of my house every day?" to which I replied, "Well, sometimes."

But, it is true; his house is on a busy residential street where the police often drive, as it is a 1.5 mile stretch of 30 mph road with no stop signs, and so, yes, I do walk on the sidewalk in front of his house almost daily, as the police do seem to be a deterrent to people harassing me.

I thought you were in CR...that is where my brother has lived for several years.  He and his wife and son are total Trump lovers as well as bigots.  Needless to say, I don't have anything to do with him any more and only hear updates from our sister.

Iowa is really interesting, politically.  Just to my south is Iowa City, which is very liberal (the home of the University of Iowa), but the rest of the county (Johnson County) is staunchly Republican.  As one goes south of Johnson County on US218, there is somewhat a "no man's land", and just south of Riverside (future birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk), things basically turn into Missouri and Southern Culture begins to take over.  (One can tell by the change of restaurants, hotels, etc.)  The other major cities in Iowa (Waterloo, Des Moines and Dubuque) are liberal, but west of I35 it's all conservative, sometimes radically so.  Steve King, one of the most bigoted congressman in recent history, was elected out west, representing the Sioux City region.  As one goes north, things are still conservative, until one gets close to Minnesota, and there, one begins to encounter the "conservative tolerant" culture; those folks are conservative, but not the in-your-face type; significant numbers of Amish and Mennonites up in that area.  I have "spooked" some Amish women on occasion, but other than that, have gotten along with them just fine.

(November 14, 2021 at 3:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 14, 2021 at 1:38 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I thought you were in CR...that is where my brother has lived for several years.  He and his wife and son are total Trump lovers as well as bigots.  Needless to say, I don't have anything to do with him any more and only hear updates from our sister.

Iowa is really interesting, politically.  Just to my south is Iowa City, which is very liberal (the home of the University of Iowa), but the rest of the county (Johnson County) is staunchly Republican.  As one goes south of Johnson County on US218, there is somewhat a "no man's land", and just south of Riverside (future birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk), things basically turn into Missouri and Southern Culture begins to take over.  (One can tell by the change of restaurants, hotels, etc.)  The other major cities in Iowa (Waterloo, Des Moines and Dubuque) are liberal, but west of I35 it's all conservative, sometimes radically so.  Steve King, one of the most bigoted congressman in recent history, was elected out west, representing the Sioux City region.  As one goes north, things are still conservative, until one gets close to Minnesota, and there, one begins to encounter the "conservative tolerant" culture; those folks are conservative, but not the in-your-face type; significant numbers of Amish and Mennonites up in that area.  I have "spooked" some Amish women on occasion, but other than that, have gotten along with them just fine.

I lived in Iowa City for a while in the mid/late 80s. I spent my much younger years in Ames...there's something different about college towns.

I'm surprised you think Dubuque is liberal as I grew up about 20 miles west of there and it was our 'big town'. But then it's been a llllooonnnnggg time since I lived in Iowa so I am sure some things are different now.

After deadliest year on record, yet another trans woman is slain in the US: ‘This is a national epidemic’
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/11/14/je...-trans-us/

I would date a trans girl (male to female)

(November 14, 2021 at 3:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(November 14, 2021 at 1:38 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I thought you were in CR...that is where my brother has lived for several years.  He and his wife and son are total Trump lovers as well as bigots.  Needless to say, I don't have anything to do with him any more and only hear updates from our sister.

Iowa is really interesting, politically.  Just to my south is Iowa City, which is very liberal (the home of the University of Iowa), but the rest of the county (Johnson County) is staunchly Republican.  As one goes south of Johnson County on US218, there is somewhat a "no man's land", and just south of Riverside (future birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk), things basically turn into Missouri and Southern Culture begins to take over.  (One can tell by the change of restaurants, hotels, etc.)  The other major cities in Iowa (Waterloo, Des Moines and Dubuque) are liberal, but west of I35 it's all conservative, sometimes radically so.  Steve King, one of the most bigoted congressman in recent history, was elected out west, representing the Sioux City region.  As one goes north, things are still conservative, until one gets close to Minnesota, and there, one begins to encounter the "conservative tolerant" culture; those folks are conservative, but not the in-your-face type; significant numbers of Amish and Mennonites up in that area.  I have "spooked" some Amish women on occasion, but other than that, have gotten along with them just fine.

And so, I take it Ottumwa is part of where Southern culture starts to take over?

You know, funny thing, before Illinois decided to legalise gay marriage and Iowa (of all states) was one of a handful of states to do so, I toyed with the idea of traveling there and performing a same-sex marriage (As a ULC minister, I am legally empowered to do so), although I admit, some of my ideas for the ritual would be strange (like saying your vows while the brides clasp one of each hand like they're arm-wrestling and having the other hand on a taxidermied horse strange). Looking over Iowa, Ottumwa was the only place that seemed interesting, and that's mostly for M*A*S*H-related reasons.

(November 14, 2021 at 7:39 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I would date a trans girl (male to female)

You want a trophy or something?

(November 14, 2021 at 8:28 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 14, 2021 at 7:39 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I would date a trans girl (male to female)

You want a trophy or something?

No? Way to misinterpret what I said.

(November 14, 2021 at 8:21 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(November 14, 2021 at 3:36 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Iowa is really interesting, politically.  Just to my south is Iowa City, which is very liberal (the home of the University of Iowa), but the rest of the county (Johnson County) is staunchly Republican.  As one goes south of Johnson County on US218, there is somewhat a "no man's land", and just south of Riverside (future birthplace of Captain James T. Kirk), things basically turn into Missouri and Southern Culture begins to take over.  (One can tell by the change of restaurants, hotels, etc.)  The other major cities in Iowa (Waterloo, Des Moines and Dubuque) are liberal, but west of I35 it's all conservative, sometimes radically so.  Steve King, one of the most bigoted congressman in recent history, was elected out west, representing the Sioux City region.  As one goes north, things are still conservative, until one gets close to Minnesota, and there, one begins to encounter the "conservative tolerant" culture; those folks are conservative, but not the in-your-face type; significant numbers of Amish and Mennonites up in that area.  I have "spooked" some Amish women on occasion, but other than that, have gotten along with them just fine.

And so, I take it Ottumwa is part of where Southern culture starts to take over?

You know, funny thing, before Illinois decided to legalise gay marriage and Iowa (of all states) was one of a handful of states  to do so, I toyed with the idea of traveling there and performing a same-sex marriage (As a ULC minister, I am legally empowered to do so), although I admit, some of my ideas for the ritual would be strange (like saying your vows while the brides clasp one of each hand like they're arm-wrestling and having the other hand on a taxidermied horse strange). Looking over Iowa, Ottumwa was the only place that seemed interesting, and that's mostly for M*A*S*H-related reasons.

Tom Arnold (Roseanne's ex is also from Ottumwa.) There is a documentary about his sister called 'Queen of Meth' for rather obvious reasons.